From owner-cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 24 15:04:34 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: cvs-all@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44591106566B; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 15:04:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brooks@lor.one-eyed-alien.net) Received: from lor.one-eyed-alien.net (cl-162.ewr-01.us.sixxs.net [IPv6:2001:4830:1200:a1::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC8658FC1C; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 15:04:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brooks@lor.one-eyed-alien.net) Received: from lor.one-eyed-alien.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lor.one-eyed-alien.net (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3OF4jGK056375; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:04:45 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from brooks@lor.one-eyed-alien.net) Received: (from brooks@localhost) by lor.one-eyed-alien.net (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id m3OF4jqf056374; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:04:45 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from brooks) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:04:45 -0500 From: Brooks Davis To: Robert Watson Message-ID: <20080424150445.GC56020@lor.one-eyed-alien.net> References: <200804232240.m3NMexsf070598@repoman.freebsd.org> <20080424115327.V22132@fledge.watson.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="DSayHWYpDlRfCAAQ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080424115327.V22132@fledge.watson.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (lor.one-eyed-alien.net [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:04:45 -0500 (CDT) Cc: cvs-src@FreeBSD.org, src-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/etc/defaults rc.conf X-BeenThere: cvs-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: CVS commit messages for the entire tree List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 15:04:34 -0000 --DSayHWYpDlRfCAAQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 11:55:45AM +0100, Robert Watson wrote: > On Wed, 23 Apr 2008, Brooks Davis wrote: >=20 >> brooks 2008-04-23 22:40:59 UTC >>=20 >> FreeBSD src repository >>=20 >> Modified files: >> etc/defaults rc.conf >> Log: >> Revert rev 1.332 and keep ddb scripts off by default for now. Minidumps >> are more flexable and much text-dump like output can be produced from >> them so there's a good argument they are a better default. >=20 > I think a contrast is being set up here that isn't quite the case: DDB=20 > scripts work fine with minidumps *and* textdumps, so the choice is not "D= DB=20 > scripts or minidumps", it's "textdumps or minidumps". Someone(tm) needs = to=20 > add support to ddb(8) to extract the DDB textdump buffer from a minidump,= =20 > in which case you might well want a crash-time script that captures, say,= =20 > witness output data, and then saves it in the minidump to be extracted=20 > after reboot. I'm fine with the default remaining minidumps, but think w= e=20 > should make sure to think of the various elements of my recent DDB work= =20 > (output capture, scripting, and textdumps) as separable and reusable. I agree the contrast isn't entierly real. I just switched the default back because the scripts we had were forcing textdumps. What I'm thinking of doing is removing the textdump part of the default script and adding some code to let you set the dump type with an easy rc.conf variable. Then turning the script back on. Hopefully someone(tm) will add the code to extract textdump data from minidumps so we can have the best of both worlds. -- Brooks --DSayHWYpDlRfCAAQ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFIEKGNXY6L6fI4GtQRAtCAAJ9M4w/vVuTFuJiqvm9WNmVInEbguACgrF19 uNfkazxOqw2TuvkijjwL3D8= =cfM2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --DSayHWYpDlRfCAAQ--