From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 27 23:56:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 210A516A40F; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 23:56:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ambrisko@ambrisko.com) Received: from mail.ambrisko.com (mail.ambrisko.com [64.174.51.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7F1C43D49; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 23:56:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ambrisko@ambrisko.com) Received: from server2.ambrisko.com (HELO www.ambrisko.com) ([192.168.1.2]) by mail.ambrisko.com with ESMTP; 27 Oct 2006 16:53:13 -0700 Received: from ambrisko.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.ambrisko.com (8.13.1/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k9RNuPoF036668; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:56:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ambrisko@ambrisko.com) Received: (from ambrisko@localhost) by ambrisko.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k9RNuPkD036667; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:56:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ambrisko) From: Doug Ambrisko Message-Id: <200610272356.k9RNuPkD036667@ambrisko.com> In-Reply-To: <45429837.3000402@FreeBSD.org> To: Doug Barton Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:56:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL94b (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Experience with Dell Latitude D620? X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 23:56:29 -0000 Doug Barton writes: | Doug Ambrisko wrote: | > Doug Barton writes: | > | Doug Ambrisko wrote: | > | > The _2_ version is supposed to be 64-bit. I waiting to get such | > | > a laptop from work with a 19.2x12 screen. I will be using | > | > it in 64bit mode and compiling for both 32bit and 64bit stuff. | > | > Since the other 64bit variants work Celeron etc. I would expect | > | > the mobile version to just work. | > | | > | It does, thanks! My only regret so far is that the nvidia drivers | > | don't have a 64 bit version, but the box and video card are fast | > | enough so that isn't really a problem. I'm pleasantly surprised that | > | so far all of my ports work in 64 bit mode as well. | > | > That was my experience with the nvidia stuff before :-( | > | > FYI, it should be trival to jail/chroot 32bit env. on your 64bit host. | > | > I should merge some of the make/env. bits from -current to -stable. | > I'll do it after 6.2 is out. I'm thinking about make a general | > purpose way to create an image and jump into it. We have it at | > work and as a proof of concept. I created a 32bit environment on | > a 64bit host and did port built and package add in there of Linux | > stuff. | | Eeek, I didn't know that linux stuff wouldn't work, thanks. The thing | I use it for most often is acroread, what do people use to view pdfs | in 64-bit land? I just tried epdfview, and it was about 50% successful. Yes, 32bit Linux works on amd64 kernel. You can probably do it via the module but I usually have the COMPAT_LINUX32 option in my kernel. Yes, netscape, acroread, flash works. There has been a lot of work to make FreeBSD 32bit work on amd64 as well ... good enough to host a build world, ports build etc. | As for your other stuff, I was planning to give qemu a try to run both | windows, and other versions of FreeBSD in a 64-bit 7-current host OS. | I also like your idea of doing the chroot environment, that might be a | lighter weight solution for day to day stuff. Are you going to write | up what you've done? When I get it into a form to use. I might hit up ru for some ideas on how. Sort-of like: make TARGET=i386 DESTDIR=/compat/i386 enter from /usr/src. There is some hackery needed so that things like mount etc. and libraries work right. Since we have it working here at work I understand most of the issues so ports builds work since some stuff can get messed up. If you are willing to help document what I give you to test that would help a lot. Doug A.