From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 9 03:00:39 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E11B71065677 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 03:00:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dkelly@hiwaay.net) Received: from bee.hiwaay.net (bee.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BC258FC14 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 03:00:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dkelly@hiwaay.net) Received: from [10.0.0.183] ([216.186.148.249]) (authenticated bits=0) by bee.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m792kHr51562940 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 8 Aug 2008 21:46:19 -0500 (CDT) From: David Kelly To: Gary Kline In-Reply-To: <20080808194457.GA81628@thought.org> References: <20080807224226.GA45445@thought.org> <367CE1DD-F026-407C-819F-4A190B7F6716@mac.com> <20080808061934.GC57877@thought.org> <3800467F-66CE-446B-B322-1310769B2DA6@identry.com> <20080808194457.GA81628@thought.org> Message-Id: <3E1F909D-B948-45D3-9786-EC8CB011E52D@hiwaay.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 21:46:16 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: [OT] Re: apple mac laptop. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD Questions List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 03:00:40 -0000 On Aug 8, 2008, at 2:44 PM, Gary Kline wrote: > So besides the mac firewall [whatever], the laptop will be > behind my pfSense box. So... --and to be completely honest, the > main reason for this >> $1000 laptop is *security*. When she was > younger I wasn't that concerned is some kiddie cracker learned > that her favorite pet was a kitty. Different now. MacOS X comes with good old ipfw. Apple has added a 2nd firewall on top of that for 10.5, but apparently not pf. > Another question: can I install X11 without it bothering whatever > kind of mac front-end windowing comes with? Be great if I could > admin this BSD-based computer from my office. Yes, Apple provides X11 as an optional install on the included system DVD, but not preloaded from the factory. While you are loading X11 I suggest you also install Xcode. Then again I think Xcode was pre-installed on my Mac Pro. Xcode is Apple's software development environment. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net ======================================================================== Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad.