From owner-svn-ports-all@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 2 18:47:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-ports-all@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5653C154; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 18:47:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (pancho.soaustin.net [76.74.250.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D1721BC0; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 18:47:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 6BD315606D; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 12:47:49 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 12:47:49 -0600 From: Mark Linimon To: John Marino Subject: Re: svn commit: r335281 - in head: . audio audio/gnump3d Message-ID: <20131202184749.GC30485@lonesome.com> References: <20131202093409.GA71618@tuxaco.net> <529C5F05.6020706@marino.st> <20131202104324.GB71618@tuxaco.net> <529C689B.9050902@marino.st> <20131202131244.GC71618@tuxaco.net> <529C8C1F.7050802@marino.st> <20131202134921.GD71618@tuxaco.net> <529C91F2.6020004@marino.st> <20131202145224.GH71618@tuxaco.net> <529CA16C.2060000@marino.st> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <529CA16C.2060000@marino.st> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: svn-ports-head@freebsd.org, svn-ports-all@freebsd.org, marino@freebsd.org, ports-committers@freebsd.org, Philippe =?iso-8859-1?Q?Aud=E9oud?= , Rene Ladan X-BeenThere: svn-ports-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: SVN commit messages for the ports tree List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2013 18:47:50 -0000 On Mon, Dec 02, 2013 at 04:04:12PM +0100, John Marino wrote: > 3. This is the clause that needs updating. It gives too much power > to the listed MAINTAINER. It could and should allow others to fix the > port if it restores the port to how the maintainer intended. [...] > Some of this "power" needs to be clawed back. The problem is (from a past portmgr's viewpoint) is that there is no "perfect" way to word a set of rules. A corollary is that sometimes if you try, you wind up with a lot of words that no one reads :-) While on portmgr I maintained a deliberate bias in favor of existing maintainers. My reasoning is that contributing to FreeBSD is sometimes hard and thankless, and if someone just hears too much negative feedback, they may just find something else better to do. (This has been my experience with other volunteer efforts). OTOH we really should expect "best effort" from our maintainers, and if not, ask them to step down. I don't think this was the case here. Yes, doing so sometimes meant having to ask people to wait the two weeks before taking an action, even if I personally agreed that the change was obvious/needed/sane/etc. It's just a problem with different ways of working and different ways of communicating, aggravated by making assumptions. As we can see in this thread, it doesn't always work right. There's no "fix" except realizing that we're human and make mistakes. My two cents. I no longer have any official position, so take it for what it's worth :-) mcl