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TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N --000000000000d0c6cc05ea9d7976 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Sun, Oct 9, 2022 at 9:11 AM Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Sun, 9 Oct 2022 16:06:36 +0000 (UTC) > doug wrote: > > > First I want to say pkg is vastly superior to the system it replaced. > > Seconded, loudly and enthusiastically. > > -- > Steve O'Hara-Smith > > This is what I hope for as well. Building from source is pretty slow on a VM running as a guest on 13 (!) year old hardware. I just get itchy when I see pkg doing things i don't understand (deleting ports it thinks are abandoned but that I use, downgrading ports while upgrading/reinstalling others). Granted this was on an older 11.x system that was a mish mash of ports and pkgs so I may have created my own private hell. Hoping to get out of that. I don't use a lot of more sophisticated features (no jails, no zfs, no poudiere, etc) and ideally, this system doesn't require a lot of interaction. I briefly considered running all this stuff (mariadb, wordpress, php, et al) in native macos on the host system but it was simpler to go back to freebsd as a guest. I had a working, if damaged, set of configuration files to work from so that worked out, Thanks to all for the help and clarification. I'll see if I can commit to pkg and let it do its work. -- Paul Beard / www.paulbeard.org/ --000000000000d0c6cc05ea9d7976 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Sun, Oct 9, 2022 at 9:11 AM Steve = O'Hara-Smith <steve@sohara.org> wrote:
On Sun, 9 Oct 2022 16:06:36 +0000 (= UTC)
doug <doug@safepo= rt.com> wrote:

> First I want to say pkg is vastly superior to the system it replaced.<= br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Seconded, loudly and enthusiastically.

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Steve O'Hara-Smith <steve@sohara.org>


This is what I hope for as well. Building= =C2=A0from source is pretty slow on a VM running as a guest on 13 (!) year = old hardware. I just get itchy when I see pkg doing things i don't unde= rstand (deleting ports=C2=A0it thinks are abandoned but that I use, downgra= ding ports while upgrading/reinstalling others). Granted this=C2=A0was on a= n older 11.x system=C2=A0that was a mish mash of ports and pkgs=C2=A0so I m= ay have created my own private hell. Hoping to get out of that. I don't= use a lot of more sophisticated features=C2=A0(no jails, no zfs, no poudie= re, etc) and ideally, this system doesn't require a lot of interaction.= I briefly considered running all this stuff (mariadb, wordpress, php, et a= l) in native macos on the host system but it was simpler to go back to free= bsd as a guest. I had a working, if damaged, set of configuration files to = work from so that worked out,=C2=A0

Thanks to all for th= e help and clarification. I'll see if I can commit to pkg and let it do= its work.=C2=A0

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Paul Beard / www.paulbeard.org/
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