From owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Tue Dec 1 19:44:11 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B521CA3E67F for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2015 19:44:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kaduk@mit.edu) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 874DA1474 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2015 19:44:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kaduk@mit.edu) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 85097A3E67D; Tue, 1 Dec 2015 19:44:11 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: hackers@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 849B6A3E67C for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2015 19:44:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kaduk@mit.edu) Received: from dmz-mailsec-scanner-4.mit.edu (dmz-mailsec-scanner-4.mit.edu [18.9.25.15]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 26BA51472 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2015 19:44:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kaduk@mit.edu) X-AuditID: 1209190f-f79d06d000004b20-d3-565df755169a Received: from mailhub-auth-1.mit.edu ( [18.9.21.35]) (using TLS with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by dmz-mailsec-scanner-4.mit.edu (Symantec Messaging Gateway) with SMTP id 49.1B.19232.557FD565; Tue, 1 Dec 2015 14:39:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (outgoing-auth-1.mit.edu [18.9.28.11]) by mailhub-auth-1.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.9.2) with ESMTP id tB1Jd0vm020469; Tue, 1 Dec 2015 14:39:01 -0500 Received: from multics.mit.edu (system-low-sipb.mit.edu [18.187.2.37]) (authenticated bits=56) (User authenticated as kaduk@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.12.4) with ESMTP id tB1JcvZv010952 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 1 Dec 2015 14:39:00 -0500 Received: (from kaduk@localhost) by multics.mit.edu (8.12.9.20060308) id tB1JcvuU009748; Tue, 1 Dec 2015 14:38:57 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 14:38:57 -0500 (EST) From: Benjamin Kaduk To: Rick Macklem cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NFSv4 details and documentations In-Reply-To: <183609075.112643195.1448924896262.JavaMail.zimbra@uoguelph.ca> Message-ID: References: <9BC3EFA2-945F-4C86-89F6-778873B58469@cs.huji.ac.il> <3AEC67FD-2E67-4EF9-9D46-818ABF3D8118@cs.huji.ac.il> <661673285.88370232.1447682409478.JavaMail.zimbra@uoguelph.ca> <20151116141433.GA31314@zxy.spb.ru> <1489367909.88538127.1447688459383.JavaMail.zimbra@uoguelph.ca> <20151116155710.GB31314@zxy.spb.ru> <1312967974.89238067.1447714816355.JavaMail.zimbra@uoguelph.ca> <20151130165940.GB31314@zxy.spb.ru> <183609075.112643195.1448924896262.JavaMail.zimbra@uoguelph.ca> User-Agent: Alpine 1.10 (GSO 962 2008-03-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFvrJIsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUixCmqrBv6PTbMYEuvmsWGBYUWD5ddY3Jg 8pjxaT6Lx+/Ne5kCmKK4bFJSczLLUov07RK4MuYfPsFc8JKp4tLvp+wNjHOZuhg5OSQETCQ2 NGxnhbDFJC7cW8/WxcjFISSwmEni4/uVrBDOBkaJN/+mQmUOMklMmrGfGaRFSKBeomvGUjCb RUBLYs/3qywgNpuAisTMNxvZQGwRAXWJzav7wWqYBcQlFt7rBasRFtCVeLXyDdgZnAI+Ehcu 3gGr5xVwlLj+aCkTxLJHzBJ9n/aBNYgK6Eis3j+FBaJIUOLkzCcsEEO1JJZP38YygVFwFpLU LCSpBYxMqxhlU3KrdHMTM3OKU5N1i5MT8/JSi3RN9HIzS/RSU0o3MYJDVZJ/B+O3g0qHGAU4 GJV4eCXWxoQJsSaWFVfmHmKU5GBSEuVVfxkbJsSXlJ9SmZFYnBFfVJqTWnyIUYKDWUmEd9Fz oBxvSmJlVWpRPkxKmoNFSZx37hffMCGB9MSS1OzU1ILUIpisDAeHkgTv869AjYJFqempFWmZ OSUIaSYOTpDhPEDDj4DU8BYXJOYWZ6ZD5E8x6nIs+HF7LZMQS15+XqqUOO9KkCIBkKKM0jy4 OeAUs5tJ9RWjONBbwrzB34CqeIDpCW7SK6AlTEBLPvyJBllSkoiQkmpgbJ0g0/LpTbpMyPe9 7xRjgg6Wz1+7KTu2NPB14eRtd8urLp7htGLKd3gwYf2ha1s3n74dwbfAfXO40badc1wuLAxj 8jbuWPfl+U7pQ1X7PYMj3ryf/mX2x102Fy/0bd9x9n2Dy5MjHhKlz3g7zf5Y/1/74/Vpk4SZ D1nMnfpaZ/+003e9847V5JISS3FGoqEWc1FxIgDtjACoDAMAAA== X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2015 19:44:11 -0000 On Mon, 30 Nov 2015, Rick Macklem wrote: > Yes, it is confusing, but that's Kerberos for you;-) rick Well, just Kerberos by itself is hardly this bad. The way it has been integrated with NFS is all kinds of special and diverges from Kerberos best practices in several ways, as if it was designed by someone without prior Kerberos experience. -Ben