From owner-freebsd-arch Mon Apr 17 2:58:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14C6237B97B for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 02:58:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA10976 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 11:58:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id LAA00611 for freebsd-arch@freebsd.org; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 11:58:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from tinker.exit.com (exit-gw.power.net [207.151.46.196]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D280637B719; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 17:24:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from frank@exit.com) Received: from realtime.exit.com (realtime.exit.com [206.223.0.5]) by tinker.exit.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA59536; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 17:24:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from frank@exit.com) Received: (from frank@localhost) by realtime.exit.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12729; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 17:24:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from frank) From: Frank Mayhar Message-Id: <200004170024.RAA12729@realtime.exit.com> Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/contrib/tcsh - Imported sources In-Reply-To: <20000416185507.B43688@linkfast.net> from Matthew Fuller at "Apr 16, 2000 06:55:07 pm" To: Matthew Fuller Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 17:24:11 -0700 (PDT) Cc: cvs-all@freebsd.org, freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Reply-To: frank@exit.com Organization: Exit Consulting X-Copyright0: Copyright 2000 Frank Mayhar. All Rights Reserved. X-Copyright1: Permission granted for electronic reproduction as Usenet News or email only. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL68 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Matthew Fuller wrote: > I think the point is a far bigger portions of users are surprised by how > unfriendly and useless the root shell is. 'What, I don't have tab > completion?' 'What, I don't have command history and > editing?' etc. > > These are, for instance, Linux users, used to bash, or tcsh, or something > similar. They quit in disgust and go back to Linux because a simple > thing like working as root is useless because we have no decent shells. > > (Note that this isn't my opinion necessarily, I always use /bin/sh for > root for various reasons, but first impressions on converts really count) Time for me to chime in. The _first_ thing I _invariably_ do is replace the root shell with a statically-compiled /bin/tcsh. Every time. So count me in as extremely happy that tcsh is now part of the base. (And please make sure that if it's in /bin/tcsh, that it's statically compiled. There's nothing at all like getting a 'libc.so.4 not found' when one is trying to fix a broken system.) -- Frank Mayhar frank@exit.com http://www.exit.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message