From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jan 28 13:17:18 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BD5714B3C2B for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2019 13:17:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8E0508B922 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2019 13:17:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1548681437; x=1551273437; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=ixw5tMLF1hQyqO28WjcVpgWR0HvWmFlCcazcUS8HdGI=; b=N8dIeSuEv/ZNV7JM/DOnZThAPElByEwd2194/QNmO2wiL/RKJ8LubBddAq3y1sEwi4sTAJh1wmORTmNqd+y/DEbrlbKrOU5IEgKvYw6zPNJzbTtj6T/Tan1kMWy+YK0KHWh4/4Zzg9ry/npXS8CK6WXAS8LG3hz/1W5bMPQisZY= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xYTMwMDAwMDE4MDhjZDUuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r5.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r5.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com [52.204.195.176]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Mon, 28 Jan 2019 08:17:07 -0500 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [89.127.62.20]) by r5.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Mon, 28 Jan 2019 08:17:05 -0500 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.91 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1go6md-000MYU-FD; Mon, 28 Jan 2019 13:17:03 +0000 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2019 13:17:03 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: Robert Huff Cc: Matthew Seaman , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wireless interface Message-Id: <20190128131703.4a21e92948c57d8846c9cd2b@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <23630.64970.365320.231106@jerusalem.litteratus.org> References: <20190126213957.adfeb61c.freebsd@edvax.de> <5C4CE8B8.4030608@gmail.com> <20190127013705.3e8cd5f3.freebsd@edvax.de> <23630.64970.365320.231106@jerusalem.litteratus.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 8E0508B922 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=N8dIeSuE; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.78 / 15.00]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mxbh.socketlabs.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.54)[-0.540,0]; FORGED_SENDER(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; IP_SCORE(-0.23)[ip: (-0.58), ipnet: 142.0.176.0/22(-0.28), asn: 7381(-0.23), country: US(-0.08)]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.992,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; FORGED_SENDER_VERP_SRS(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[198.176.0.142.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.15.0]; ENVFROM_VERP(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2019 13:17:18 -0000 On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 08:04:10 -0500 Robert Huff wrote: > I am told Dennis Ritchie once posed this at a conference: He wrote a paper "Reflections on Trusting Trust", you can read the PDF here: https://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=358210 -- Steve O'Hara-Smith