From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 23 15:20:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B4CC106566C; Wed, 23 May 2012 15:20:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adrian.chadd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pz0-f54.google.com (mail-pz0-f54.google.com [209.85.210.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4130F8FC14; Wed, 23 May 2012 15:20:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by dadv36 with SMTP id v36so10707876dad.13 for ; Wed, 23 May 2012 08:20:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=9wR34LBXUMcS4gjyPnqVpp4boxSKor6NUIDdPbmhsWU=; b=GZrazdZGKLVFCbJbkdrsR/1/xlK6akd3lRZfS3C0WUIuYD3BZV0h2/o5BMiPSoUwF3 CU461jQ3qt7VQotUS2QjwBHBdNhPl/Q+PO5tp/MAtfohw1bB7k7cy2T6lKRkx+j/HvdN kLSDtQx+vU0B4r+AYWcfCyb0QrPTyn17wK1xdgR2pSiHTUO+JEB9WJld2GcO2Lp0F80F piyXXT+9d7qlkGgapUFy16hm0jKA+5TNTlbSnvxbhOColj+apTw62x3SrEvEGlsSy781 8QDv/04R3ej8thW+ZjcZ7TMRf1NgMvjTdYgcJsyCJ/wLTt7gXxKCoNGAF5mDu/t/6swT vF0w== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.223.167 with SMTP id qv7mr11034191pbc.127.1337786429841; Wed, 23 May 2012 08:20:29 -0700 (PDT) Sender: adrian.chadd@gmail.com Received: by 10.142.203.2 with HTTP; Wed, 23 May 2012 08:20:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20120520170702.GY22790@mule.podro.com> <1120936952.633013.1337546532026.JavaMail.root@erie.cs.uoguelph.ca> <20120521035323.GZ22790@mule.podro.com> <868vglud1e.fsf@ds4.des.no> <20120521184739.GA22790@mule.podro.com> Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 08:20:29 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: h4D6mRbrVuQqHYaui9kbGbRwjq0 Message-ID: From: Adrian Chadd To: Alex Moura Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Jamie , Rick Macklem , Vincent Hoffman , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, Dag-Erling Sm??rgrav , Vance Siemens Subject: Re: FreeBSD 10 prognostication... X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 15:20:30 -0000 .. then: * test out pkgng on FreeBSD-9.x and provide as much feedback as you can; * help test out massive deployment, upgrade and auditing scenarios - exactly the kinds of things which cloud using people need. Installing 10000 boxes is difficult. Auditing, upgrading and integrating services on 10,000 boxes.. much more difficult. * help out with the cloud provision-y service things that FreeBSD is missing - for example, get the vmware vmdk installer stuff be part of the install/release system - so people _can_ easily build FreeBSD VMDK's as appliance/cloud images. * integrate it with Puppet and other configuration/monitoring/management frameworks. Upgrade that integration to whatever counts as Tier-1 in those projects. I bet they focus on Linux only. There's a whole lot of useful work that doesn't at all leave the userland. If you'd like to see FreeBSD in "the cloud", these are the things you need to address. Adrian