From owner-freebsd-jail@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 27 21:42:26 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: jail@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D4CFE75E for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2015 21:42:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-la0-x22a.google.com (mail-la0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::22a]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4D919EFF for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2015 21:42:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f42.google.com with SMTP id ms9so15718208lab.1 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2015 13:42:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=2SFkFBTeRB837qs91hk0M9mAovl2NKwzIXsp18TUOhA=; b=nZsaslx9Jb+4s8RnVWZhr0bmy58SMI27G0gvlttiI07tW2hsyajZvNCpYt52rtaBam CYeab9jj912RLBiTWSWqFJ9vfbjmrgxCFe3NitLO4/5tWkZ+X9BvvycTStnJGcDtc4B9 cGr7lM9SE53RVm/IGR4h6HPqCWl1Hb98ebimwdSloWLtYBIdLCmhX4/xZBZ02cb1s6S+ sXMYra9dL56IOCiuD2fPpl24I/+GW/GbPByap2gbGzikSNegZtSbbup2Dfqp26SbLwwM Lqpro2jtQP+mJvvqoK1H/du2AgIQSHqS6YNPtDB2O554KRLkSqCsHw1U+GGqBWVRTq+t j4SQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.182.235 with SMTP id eh11mr3642672lac.9.1422394944372; Tue, 27 Jan 2015 13:42:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.25.16.220 with HTTP; Tue, 27 Jan 2015 13:42:24 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <54C80145.3070201@erdgeist.org> References: <20150127012347.GA4940@lonesome.com> <20150127141239.V77290@sola.nimnet.asn.au> <54C7958B.40007@gmail.com> <54C7C828.4070703@erdgeist.org> <14943.128.135.70.2.1422381245.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <54C7D371.9010609@erdgeist.org> <13934.128.135.70.2.1422383293.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <54C7F109.2040405@erdgeist.org> <54C7FF2D.2070802@quip.cz> <54C80145.3070201@erdgeist.org> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 10:42:24 +1300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: preferred jail management tool From: Peter Toth To: Dirk Engling , Michael Lucas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: jail@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-jail@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion about FreeBSD jail\(8\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 21:42:26 -0000 I think Michael didn't really know that he opened Pandora's box by starting this thread! These discussions are long overdue - especially nowadays, when containers are hyped all over the world. On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 10:21 AM, Dirk Engling wrote: > On 27.01.15 22:12, Miroslav Lachman wrote: > > > Yes. Sometimes I have a feeling that jails or some other features are > > unwanted children. I had PR opened for years with patche to rc.d/jail or > > etc/rc.subr to incorporate nice, or cpuset. And it never found it's way > > to the tree. > > How's that possible? > > I felt similarly frustrated when I went to 2013's BSDCan trying to talk > to the "jaily people" and noone was around. Jamie couldn't attend but > said that he's busy with other stuff and couldn't commit time to jail > development. Which, of course, is fine. It leaves a void, though. > > What good are features that are neither documented nor exposed to the > users? How do we move on from here and get config and docs synchronized > and where can I get a big picture of what's the big plan for the future? > > erdgeist >