From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Aug 21 14:54:35 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E15CDCAA77 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2019 14:54:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from bucksport.safeport.com (bucksport.safeport.com [198.74.231.101]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 46D9fy5K4Nz435F for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2019 14:54:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from bucksport.safeport.com (bucksport.safeport.com [198.74.231.101]) by bucksport.safeport.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id x7LEsP4J012603; Wed, 21 Aug 2019 10:54:25 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2019 10:54:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Doug Denault To: Polytropon cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Firefox or what? In-Reply-To: <20190821050434.c0d6f231.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <20190812173754.9bbd34f75885d616ae5d074a@gc-24.de> <20190812164800.1bc5581b40de9436a977ea02@sohara.org> <875zn22mmc.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <871rxorh4y.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <5be8adb1-cf57-9e24-4ce9-27a76cc3ece8@netfence.it> <3e27ec4d-65d0-063e-eb5e-4465aa4cbc84@gmail.com> <20190815124616.3916a9a0e4958c29917c57fd@gc-24.de> <39be165e-0d6c-5ba5-7fec-caaae9603812@gmail.com> <20190815190435.ae53f114489da5de8cf343d1@gc-24.de> <063af304b35c7b8f852ec0a00f1282f24f8db56e.camel@rocketmail.com> <5cf06276-5b83-dc43-9a66-6dd2489391de@netfence.it> <1473972364.7183096.1566212915873@mail.yahoo.com> <20190821050434.c0d6f231.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (bucksport.safeport.com [198.74.231.101]); Wed, 21 Aug 2019 10:54:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 46D9fy5K4Nz435F X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of doug@safeport.com designates 198.74.231.101 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=doug@safeport.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.56 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.37)[-0.369,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:198.74.231.101]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.83)[-0.827,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[safeport.com]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.42)[0.418,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11288, ipnet:198.74.228.0/22, country:US]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(0.44)[asn: 11288(2.24), country: US(-0.05)]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.10)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2019 14:54:35 -0000 On Wed, 21 Aug 2019, Polytropon wrote: > On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 17:49:02 -0400 (EDT), doug wrote: >> I suspect you would get almost as many different historys as you have software >> groups. By that I mean I use the base FreeBSD and xfce. As far as I can tell my >> group is fairly small. My experience with Firefox was no issues until Xorg >> unbundled. Then I hit a patch where the order of packages installed was >> important. What mostly worked was (1) xorg; (2) firefox; (3) xfce. At times I >> could not install thunderbird. All this caused by interlocking prerequisites. > > That sounds wrong. Just wrong. But I know it is possible and can happen. My memory is that xfce's file manager (thunar) share a couple of dynamic libraries. xfce was happy to run with the one[s] it found. Not so with firefox. I ranted at the time. >> With FreeBSD 11 I think I have thunderbird installed on my laptop. Throughout my >> journey through FreeBSD Firefox itself has mostly worked. Flash of course never >> worked, ditto for some videos, that never mattered to me. > > I have "Flash" working with Opera (using the Linux plugin), but not > with current Firefox. WebM and MP4 video worked out of the box. So > never expect "something old" to work with new Firefox, such as FTP, > as Chrome has announced the removal of ftp:// address support, and > I assume Firefox will follow, because "Please, we do everything you > do, let us be the new number two!" - "Who is number one?" ;-) > >> Chrome works fine except I don't like how it does cookies. > > Personally, I never got friends with Crome or Chromium, they just > are too... google-ish... Chrome stores all its information in ~/.cache/chromium/Default/Cache. If you delete everything for all time you end up with about 100 files all named something like 00c6991d08e18825_0. Google-ish or scary take your pick. >> My current issue is neither Firefox or chrome will work on one of the credit >> card sites I use. The issue here is something with cookie handling. > > Try Opera. Maybe that works. But... even Opera now internally uses one of "the > big ones" rendering engines instead its own one, so maybe it works, maybe > not... and without proper configuration, it's almost as unusable as Firefox or > Chrome (but hey, probably that is the look & feel people _expect_ from > "modern" web browsers, or have been trained to just accept it). Thanks, I'll give Opera a go. In this case I'm reasonably sure it's the bank's IT dept keeping banking hours. Windows 10 firefox works and to the extent I can tell both the fbsd and windows versions store the same cookies. >> All that said I like firefox. It would be nice if it could be less bloatish. I >> would ever compile it to achieve that end. I am used to the look and feel and 90+% of the time it just works. Happily disks are growing faster than firefox. > You're hoping for something that will never happen. Firefox and bloat > have been paired long time ago, and they will never part ways, I fear. I know but I believed in the tooth fairly until I took comparative religion :) _____ Douglas Denault http://www.safeport.com doug@safeport.com Voice: 301-217-9220 Fax: 301-217-9277