From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 10 02:49:54 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFACE16A4CE for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 02:49:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ultra36.almamedia.fi (ultra36.almamedia.fi [193.209.83.44]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 847B943D48 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 02:49:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from koston@iki.fi) Received: by ultra36.almamedia.fi (Postfix, from userid 60001) id 2FD4D1DA48; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 12:49:53 +0300 (EEST) Received: from norsu.kameli.org (ip213-185-39-27.laajakaista.mtv3.fi [213.185.39.27]) by ultra36.almamedia.fi (Postfix) with SMTP id A006E1D9B9; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 12:49:52 +0300 (EEST) Received: by norsu.kameli.org (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 10 Apr 2004 11:51:35 +0000 From: "Atte Peltomaki" Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 11:51:35 +0000 To: joe mcguckin Message-ID: <20040410115135.GA20807@norsu.kameli.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Future of FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 09:49:54 -0000 > Robert, > > > Thank you for taking the time to cogently respond to Atte Peltomaki's > concerns regarding 5.X issues. > > Not every FreeBSD user has time to keep up to date with the day-to-day news > that is disseminated via the mailing lists. It's a lot of email to read on a > daily basis. > > As such, it's understandable that many FreeBSD users have a perception of > the project that is not shared by committers. > > Responding to email's such as Atte's in a rational, well thought out manner > is much more productive than simply reacting in knee-jerk fashion by saying > "Please don't feed the trolls". I replied to Robert's mail personally without cc'ing to -current, simply because I felt too many people saw my mail as a troll and nothing more. Even those who didn't, mostly just disregarded everything I tried to say, picked a detail in which I was incorrect and put me down with it. I have indeed not been following all the mailing lists as keenly as I could've, and perhaps many of my concerns would not have surfaced at all if I had. But then again, reading through high-volume lists on a daily basis without developer's interests or understanding can get frustrating very quickly. Now, I have gotten some precious information from Robert on the issues where I was downright wrong, and others were discussed to give reason and consequence, why things happen the way they do, and why they should keep happening. Most useful information was to learn about the effects of ACPI with older hardware, which I have, and I realized many of the problems I have seen are due to buggy hardware implementations in my boxes rather than problems directly in FreeBSD. Though it still frightens me to see how incompatible FreeBSD can be at it's current state with older h/w, but Robert gave enough faith and I'm going to install -CURRENT again on few of my boxes to get on with it and solve the problems. It still leaves me wonder - why is the user/developer-base so hostile towards any critique on the system? I'm nonetheless a supporter of FreeBSD's, and as much as any of you, would like to see a glorious release of the 5-STABLE when time is right. I simply wanted to state some of my concerns as a user about the time and it's rightness amongst some other things, and indeed only Robert took the time to actually answer to me. Thank you, Robert, for that. Atte Peltomaki http://kameli.org