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Date:      Wed, 9 Aug 2000 12:23:46 -0500 
From:      Chris Silva <chris.silva@ADMis.com>
To:        "'FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG'" <FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   IRC identing from client through FBSD firewall.
Message-ID:  <7353575D98E0D311834F00508BA0FAC91CECD1@chicago.admis.com>

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When I access IRC via a windows box on my internal network, going trough a
cable modem, I get this error:

natd[162]: failed to write packet back (Permission denied)

This happens when identd is access.  I can get out doing everything I need
to, but I just cant get identd to work.
I am using ident2 from the ports, and have set the auth line in the
inetd.conf file.  Sorry for all the stuff here, but I wanted to give you all
everything I possibly could - and fee free to point out all that is wrong.

Below are the stats you mat need:

Firewall - FBSD 4.1-STABLE

---------------- rc.conf
# -- sysinstall generated deltas -- #
network_interfaces="fxp0 xl0 lo0"
ifconfig_fxp0="inet 10.3.1.1  netmask 255.0.0.0"
ifconfig_xl0="DHCP"
hostname="firewall.ce.mediaone.net"
gateway_enable="YES"
defaultrouter="NO"
usbd_enable="YES"
inetd_flags="wW -R 1024"	# Optional flags to inetd
ntpdate_flags="ncar.ucar.edu"
ntpdate_enable="YES"
tcp_extensions="YES"
firewall_enable="YES"		# Set to YES to enable firewall
functionality
firewall_type="simple"		# Firewall type (see /etc/rc.firewall)
firewall_quiet="NO"		#
natd_enable="YES"               # Enable natd (if firewall_enable == YES).
natd_interface="xl0"            # Public interface or IPaddress to use.
natd_flags="-f /etc/natd.conf"  # Additional flags for natd.
portmap_enable="NO"		# Run the portmapper service (or NO).

------------------ rc.firewall (simple)
	# set these to your outside interface network and netmask and ip
	oif="xl0"
	onet="204.210.189.0"
	omask="255.255.255.0"
	oip="204.210.189.38"

	# set these to your inside interface network and netmask and ip
	iif="fxp0"
	inet="10.3.1.0"
	imask="255.0.0.0"
	iip="10.3.1.1"

	# Stop spoofing
	${fwcmd} add deny all from ${inet}:${imask} to any in via ${oif}
	${fwcmd} add deny all from ${onet}:${omask} to any in via ${iif}
	#${fwcmd} add pass all from ${inet}:${imask} to ${inet}:${inet}

	# Stop RFC1918 nets on the outside interface
	#${fwcmd} add deny all from 10.0.0.0/8 to any via ${oif}
	#${fwcmd} add deny all from any to 10.0.0.0/8 via ${oif}
	#${fwcmd} add deny all from 172.16.0.0/12 to any via ${oif}
	#${fwcmd} add deny all from any to 172.16.0.0/12 via ${oif}
	#${fwcmd} add deny all from 192.168.0.0/16 to any via ${oif}
	#${fwcmd} add deny all from any to 192.168.0.0/16 via ${oif}

	# Stop draft-manning-dsua-01.txt nets on the outside interface
	${fwcmd} add deny all from 0.0.0.0/8 to any via ${oif}
	${fwcmd} add deny all from any to 0.0.0.0/8 via ${oif}
	${fwcmd} add deny all from 169.254.0.0/16 to any via ${oif}
	${fwcmd} add deny all from any to 169.254.0.0/16 via ${oif}
	${fwcmd} add deny all from 192.0.2.0/24 to any via ${oif}
	${fwcmd} add deny all from any to 192.0.2.0/24 via ${oif}
	${fwcmd} add deny all from 224.0.0.0/4 to any via ${oif}
	${fwcmd} add deny all from any to 224.0.0.0/4 via ${oif}
	${fwcmd} add deny all from 240.0.0.0/4 to any via ${oif}
	${fwcmd} add deny all from any to 240.0.0.0/4 via ${oif}

	# Allow TCP through if setup succeeded
	${fwcmd} add pass tcp from any to any established

	# Allow IP fragments to pass through
	${fwcmd} add pass all from any to any frag

	# Allow setup of incoming email
	${fwcmd} add pass tcp from any to ${oip} 25 setup

	# Allow access to our DNS
	${fwcmd} add pass tcp from any to ${oip} 53 setup
	${fwcmd} add pass udp from any to ${oip} 53
	${fwcmd} add pass udp from ${oip} 53 to any

	# Allow access to our WWW
	${fwcmd} add pass tcp from any to ${oip} 80 setup

	# Reject&Log all setup of incoming connections from the outside
	#${fwcmd} add deny log tcp from any to any in via ${oif} setup

	# Allow setup of any other TCP connection
	${fwcmd} add pass tcp from any to any setup

	# Allow DNS queries out in the world
	${fwcmd} add pass udp from any 53 to ${oip}
	${fwcmd} add pass udp from ${oip} to any 53

	# Allow NTP queries out in the world
	${fwcmd} add pass udp from any 123 to ${oip}


Thanks,
		 Chris



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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">When I access IRC via a windows =
box on my internal network, going trough a</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">cable modem, I get this =
error:</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">natd[162]: failed to write =
packet back (Permission denied)</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">This happens when identd is =
access.&nbsp; I can get out doing everything I need</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">to, but I just cant get identd =
to work.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">I am using ident2 from the =
ports, and have set the auth line in the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">inetd.conf file.&nbsp; Sorry =
for all the stuff here, but I wanted to give you all</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">everything I possibly could - =
and fee free to point out all that is wrong.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">Below are the stats you mat =
need:</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">Firewall - FBSD =
4.1-STABLE</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">---------------- rc.conf</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New"># -- sysinstall generated =
deltas -- #</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">network_interfaces=3D&quot;fxp0 =
xl0 lo0&quot;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">ifconfig_fxp0=3D&quot;inet =
10.3.1.1&nbsp; netmask 255.0.0.0&quot;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier =
New">ifconfig_xl0=3D&quot;DHCP&quot;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier =
New">hostname=3D&quot;firewall.ce.mediaone.net&quot;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier =
New">gateway_enable=3D&quot;YES&quot;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier =
New">defaultrouter=3D&quot;NO&quot;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier =
New">usbd_enable=3D&quot;YES&quot;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">inetd_flags=3D&quot;wW -R =
1024&quot;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; # Optional flags =
to inetd</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier =
New">ntpdate_flags=3D&quot;ncar.ucar.edu&quot;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier =
New">ntpdate_enable=3D&quot;YES&quot;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier =
New">tcp_extensions=3D&quot;YES&quot;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier =
New">firewall_enable=3D&quot;YES&quot;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; # Set to YES to enable =
firewall</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">functionality</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier =
New">firewall_type=3D&quot;simple&quot;&nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; # Firewall type (see =
/etc/rc.firewall)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier =
New">firewall_quiet=3D&quot;NO&quot;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; #</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier =
New">natd_enable=3D&quot;YES&quot;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; # Enable natd (if =
firewall_enable =3D=3D YES).</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier =
New">natd_interface=3D&quot;xl0&quot;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; # Public interface or IPaddress to =
use.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">natd_flags=3D&quot;-f =
/etc/natd.conf&quot;&nbsp; # Additional flags for natd.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier =
New">portmap_enable=3D&quot;NO&quot;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; # Run the portmapper service =
(or NO).</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">------------------ rc.firewall =
(simple)</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Courier New"># set these to your outside interface network and =
netmask and ip</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Courier New">oif=3D&quot;xl0&quot;</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Courier New">onet=3D&quot;204.210.189.0&quot;</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Courier New">omask=3D&quot;255.255.255.0&quot;</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Courier New">oip=3D&quot;204.210.189.38&quot;</FONT>
</P>

<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Courier New"># set these to your inside interface network and =
netmask and ip</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Courier New">iif=3D&quot;fxp0&quot;</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Courier New">inet=3D&quot;10.3.1.0&quot;</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Courier New">imask=3D&quot;255.0.0.0&quot;</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Courier New">iip=3D&quot;10.3.1.1&quot;</FONT>
</P>

<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Courier New"># Stop spoofing</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Courier New">${fwcmd} add deny all from ${inet}:${imask} to any =
in via ${oif}</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Courier New">${fwcmd} add deny all from ${onet}:${omask} to any =
in via ${iif}</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Courier New">#${fwcmd} add pass all from ${inet}:${imask} to =
${inet}:${inet}</FONT>
</P>

<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Courier New"># Stop RFC1918 nets on the outside =
interface</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Courier New">#${fwcmd} add deny all from 10.0.0.0/8 to any via =
${oif}</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Courier New">#${fwcmd} add deny all from any to 10.0.0.0/8 via =
${oif}</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Courier New">#${fwcmd} add deny all from 172.16.0.0/12 to any =
via ${oif}</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Courier New">#${fwcmd} add deny all from any to 172.16.0.0/12 =
via ${oif}</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Courier New">#${fwcmd} add deny all from 192.168.0.0/16 to any =
via ${oif}</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Courier New">#${fwcmd} add deny all from any to 192.168.0.0/16 =
via ${oif}</FONT>
</P>

<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Courier New"># Stop draft-manning-dsua-01.txt nets on the =
outside interface</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Courier New">${fwcmd} add deny all from 0.0.0.0/8 to any via =
${oif}</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Courier New">${fwcmd} add deny all from any to 0.0.0.0/8 via =
${oif}</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Courier New">${fwcmd} add deny all from 169.254.0.0/16 to any =
via ${oif}</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Courier New">${fwcmd} add deny all from any to 169.254.0.0/16 =
via ${oif}</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Courier New">${fwcmd} add deny all from 192.0.2.0/24 to any via =
${oif}</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Courier New">${fwcmd} add deny all from any to 192.0.2.0/24 via =
${oif}</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Courier New">${fwcmd} add deny all from 224.0.0.0/4 to any via =
${oif}</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Courier New">${fwcmd} add deny all from any to 224.0.0.0/4 via =
${oif}</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Courier New">${fwcmd} add deny all from 240.0.0.0/4 to any via =
${oif}</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Courier New">${fwcmd} add deny all from any to 240.0.0.0/4 via =
${oif}</FONT>
</P>

<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Courier New"># Allow TCP through if setup succeeded</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Courier New">${fwcmd} add pass tcp from any to any =
established</FONT>
</P>

<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Courier New"># Allow IP fragments to pass through</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Courier New">${fwcmd} add pass all from any to any frag</FONT>
</P>

<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Courier New"># Allow setup of incoming email</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Courier New">${fwcmd} add pass tcp from any to ${oip} 25 =
setup</FONT>
</P>

<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Courier New"># Allow access to our DNS</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Courier New">${fwcmd} add pass tcp from any to ${oip} 53 =
setup</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Courier New">${fwcmd} add pass udp from any to ${oip} 53</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Courier New">${fwcmd} add pass udp from ${oip} 53 to any</FONT>
</P>

<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Courier New"># Allow access to our WWW</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Courier New">${fwcmd} add pass tcp from any to ${oip} 80 =
setup</FONT>
</P>

<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Courier New"># Reject&amp;Log all setup of incoming connections =
from the outside</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Courier New">#${fwcmd} add deny log tcp from any to any in via =
${oif} setup</FONT>
</P>

<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Courier New"># Allow setup of any other TCP connection</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Courier New">${fwcmd} add pass tcp from any to any setup</FONT>
</P>

<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Courier New"># Allow DNS queries out in the world</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Courier New">${fwcmd} add pass udp from any 53 to ${oip}</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Courier New">${fwcmd} add pass udp from ${oip} to any 53</FONT>
</P>

<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Courier New"># Allow NTP queries out in the world</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Courier New">${fwcmd} add pass udp from any 123 to =
${oip}</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">Thanks,</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Courier New"> Chris</FONT>
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