From owner-freebsd-users-jp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 18 12:01:11 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-users-jp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CDB6B739 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 12:01:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dec.sakura.ne.jp (dec.sakura.ne.jp [210.188.226.8]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 823B13FF9 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 12:01:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fortune.joker.local (180-198-225-68.nagoya1.commufa.jp [180.198.225.68]) (authenticated bits=0) by dec.sakura.ne.jp (8.14.3/8.14.2/[SAKURA-WEB]/20080708) with ESMTP id s7IC18PS062218 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 21:01:09 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 21:01:08 +0900 From: Tomoaki AOKI To: freebsd-users-jp@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20140818210108.04c13730d7857c56a7265428@dec.sakura.ne.jp> In-Reply-To: <20140818185356.7e2b6f20f216bd6076ec0da5@dec.sakura.ne.jp> References: <53F11248.4070305@freebsd.org> <20140818185356.7e2b6f20f216bd6076ec0da5@dec.sakura.ne.jp> Organization: Junchoon corps X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.4.2 (GTK+ 2.24.22; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [FreeBSD-users-jp 95251] Re: TESTING required: keyboard maps for NEWCONS (committed to -CURRENT and available for -STABLE) X-BeenThere: freebsd-users-jp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion relevant to FreeBSD communities in Japan List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 12:01:11 -0000 青木@名古屋（或いは和麻呂さんでない方）です。 元メールはfreebsd-stable MLに返信したものをCCしたため英文だったため 補足を。 Stefan Esser氏からfreebsd-stable MLにvt用のkeymapファイルのMFCについての テスト要請が投稿されていますが、headには既にr270114,r270119,r270131で commitされており、MFCターゲットは3日後です。 私としては、せっかくvtでunicode対応されていて、今どきのOADG 109A系キー 配列では円マークもバックスラッシュも刻印があるのだから、Windozeとの両刀 遣いのユーザのことを考えると刻印通りの入力ができた方が混乱しないと思う ので、Backspaceの隣では半角円マークが、右Shiftの隣ではバックスラッシュが 入力できるように変更（scan code 125の内容を変更）する提案をしました。 （それが元メールです。） 私の手許では、この変更を行ったのと同等のファイル（今回のStefan Esser氏の jp.kbdベースではなく/usr/share/syscons/keymaps/jp.106.kbdベースですが、 両ファイルは先頭のsvn ID行以外一致しています）で想定どおりに動作していま す。 　※少なくともフォントファイルとして下記で紹介されているEd Maste 氏の 　　b16.fnt を vidcontrol -fでロードしてあれば。 　http://gihyo.jp/admin/clip/01/fdt/201404/24 ただ、0x5Cを入力するために反射的に円マークの刻印のキーを叩く体になってい るとかえって邪魔な可能性もありますので、困る場合はfreebsd-stable MLに 英文で反論を投げておいて下さい。　私経由で間に合わないとまずいので。 　※Windoze と両刀遣いせざるを得ないなら嫌でも刻印通りのキーを叩くように 　　矯正されているとは思いますが…。 On Mon, 18 Aug 2014 18:53:56 +0900 Tomoaki AOKI wrote: > Thanks for your work, Stefan! > > Please consider modifying scan code 125 in jp.kbd and jp.capsctrl.kbd. > Changing '\' to 165 (unicode XML entity ¥ is YEN SIGN) matches > major keyboards in Japan (would be OADG 109A or its variants) with > unicode locales. > > Please see below for key layouts. > > http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/JIS%E3%82%AD%E3%83%BC%E3%83%9C%E3%83%BC%E3%83%89 > > This page is in Japanese, but figures here would be useful. > > *Historical background: > For historical reason, starting from JIS X 0201, code point 0x5C is > used for YEN SIGN (currency JPY) in Japan. This code point may be > used for backslash in other countries. (So, YEN SIGN should not be > supported in syscons.) > > But now in unicode, YEN SIGN has its own code point, and safely > coexists with backslash. > > So, enabling both in vt would be nice. And particularly for users > having both FreeBSD and Windoze, matching keytop and displayed > character should be important to avoid confusion. > > > CC'ed to freebsd-users-jp list for other Japanese users. > Any objections? Possibly, someone would want modifying scan code 115 > instead of 125. > > > On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 22:36:24 +0200 > Stefan Esser wrote: > > I have just committed keymap definitions that are converted to work with > > NEWCONS. Since the new console expects a Unicode locale, all > > the different encodings are no longer needed - but all files had to > > be converted from their respective encodings to Unicode. > > > > Since the character encoding is no longer required in the file > > names, all names where converted to be named by ISO country code > > (plus ISO language code, where required) followed by modifiers > > (e.g. .acc for accent keys). > > > > > > It is likely, that I introduced regressions, even though I spent > > quite a few hours on the conversion process and the manual > > verification of the results. > > > > > > These files are currently only committed to -CURRENT and I plan > > to MFC to 10-STABLE as soon as possible (and permitted), which is > > in 3 days. > > > > If you are able to test the keymap files under -CURRENT, I'd love > > to receive your feedback and remarks. Please do not commit any > > fixes directly to -CURRENT, since I'm still working on these files > > (I'm afraid of merge conflicts and higher effort required for the > > MFC in a few days ...). > > > > > > If you are a (potential) NEWCONS user on -STABLE, you may want to > > extract the contents of > > > > http://people.freebsd.org/~se/vt-keymaps.tar.bz2 > > > > into /usr/share/vt/keymaps. (The Makefile is not required, if you > > directly extract to that directory, but it does no harm.) > > > > > > We really want to have verified keymaps for NEWCONS in 10-STABLE > > and the more "special" your language (i.e. the farther it is away > > from ISO8859-1 ;-) ) the bigger the risk that some specialty has > > been lost during the conversion. > > > > Please test and report your expected deadkeys vs. nodeadkeys > > experience, the combinations of Shift, Ctrl, Alt, Alt-Gr and > > all keys that you expect to support such modifiers, and the > > Caps Lock behavior (on keys that respect or ignore Caps Lock). > > > > I'll be reserving a few hours each day to get this into good > > shape for 10.1. > > > > Best regards, STefan > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > -- > Tomoaki AOKI junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-users-jp@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-users-jp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-users-jp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- 青木 知明 [Tomoaki AOKI] junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp