From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 9 13:41:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F8447A6 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2013 13:41:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julian@freebsd.org) Received: from vps1.elischer.org (vps1.elischer.org [204.109.63.16]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BB81B2773 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2013 13:41:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from jre-mbp.elischer.org (ppp121-45-246-96.lns20.per2.internode.on.net [121.45.246.96]) (authenticated bits=0) by vps1.elischer.org (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id r99Dfsxe041697 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 9 Oct 2013 06:41:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <52555D1C.8010407@freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2013 21:41:48 +0800 From: Julian Elischer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Freddie Cash Subject: Re: rcs References: <60177810-8DC4-4EA3-8040-A834B79039D2@orthanc.ca> <52538EDC.2080001@freebsd.org> <52541202.3010707@mu.org> <20131008.170444.74714516.sthaug@nethelp.no> <52542BD4.5070706@FreeBSD.org> <52542E1D.9000000@mu.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Alfred Perlstein , FreeBSD-Current X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2013 13:41:59 -0000 On 10/9/13 2:35 AM, Freddie Cash wrote: > On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 9:09 AM, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > >> You're right on the money, to be honest this is one of the reasons why >> I've switched to using OSX as my desktop OS. >> >> zsh, vim, screen by default. and upgrades work. At the end of the day >> I'm spending time doing work, not mucking about my workspace to make it >> usable for development. >> >> I think this was brought up at BSDCan in the discussion about making >> FreeBSD a more featured development platform. >> >> Speaking of... has anyone tried PCBSD? > > PC-BSD isn't much different from FreeBSD. The installer is GUI and support > ZFS, there are some GUI setup tools on first boot for X, there are some GUI > tools to select binary drivers for X, and there ​​are working pkgng repos > available. > > I had a lot of issues with PC-BSD 9.0 and 9.1 as I was trying to do things > "the FreeBSD way" which broke a lot of things that were done "the PC-BSD > way" (aka don't manually edit config files used for booting). > > ​Switching to the "rolling-release" (aka PC-BSD 9-STABLE) and moving all my > config file edits into .conf.local fixed my issues. Things have > been running smooth, and I finally understand the beauty and simplicity of > freebsd-update + pkg. OS gets updated once per month, packages get updated > twice per month, no more compiling things from source. It's like using > Ubuntu/Debian but with the power and features of FreeBSD. :) > ​ When they went to a ZFS-only system, using GRUB, with no alternative, then I'm afraid they lost me. I want a root filesystem on UFS for reliabailty and simpleness. I can debug it's media if needed. Before then I really liked it (though ther eis not enough information on how it works interneally if you want to use it. hopefully that will come.. and I LIKE PBIs FreeBSD should adopt PBIs for sure. With PBIs you could make even quite base items separately installable. versioning problems go away.