From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 5 00:04:55 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EFE516A469 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 00:04:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail2.fluidhosting.com (mx21.fluidhosting.com [204.14.89.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9D30313C4AC for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 00:03:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 3504 invoked by uid 399); 5 Oct 2007 00:03:00 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO slave.dougb.net) (dougb@dougbarton.us@127.0.0.1) by localhost with ESMTP; 5 Oct 2007 00:03:00 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 127.0.0.1 Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:02:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Barton To: Aryeh Friedman In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <4702EA52.9050904@delphij.net> <4702ECCB.3010508@webvolution.net> <4703218B.7000603@webvolution.net> <47036164.4040609@moneybookers.com> <470368AA.30108@moneybookers.com> X-message-flag: Outlook -- Not just for spreading viruses anymore! X-OpenPGP-Key-ID: 0xD5B2F0FB Organization: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: small purposal for change in installworld X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 00:04:55 -0000 On Wed, 3 Oct 2007, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > Sorry for being a little abrasive... my main point is we should aim > for more of a "point and click" style of doing things... apple and ms > have done it pretty well for the average case. I think your mistake is in thinking that this is a goal shared by the developers who actually do the work on the base system. I say this as someone who has actually spent quite a lot of time working on parts of the system that make maintenance, operation, and UI issues "easier" for users. There is a certain level below which you can't go without radically changing the "personality" of the project. Several people have pointed you to other projects that use FreeBSD as the OS but add more user-friendly stuff on top. I think this is a good approach, and my read of the developer community is that this is the direction things will go in the future as well. Meanwhile, your statement "we should aim for ..." is totally devoid of meaning. There is no "we" in the sense that you imply. There is only you, and your keyboard. If you want something FreeBSD related, get to work. That's the only way it's going to happen. If you think that the above paragraph is "too harsh," that's Ok. It also happens to be the truth. Doug -- This .signature sanitized for your protection