From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Tue Oct 20 22:37:14 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 125ADA1A822 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2015 22:37:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from slw@zxy.spb.ru) Received: from zxy.spb.ru (zxy.spb.ru [195.70.199.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C0DE9FD6; Tue, 20 Oct 2015 22:37:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from slw@zxy.spb.ru) Received: from slw by zxy.spb.ru with local (Exim 4.84 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ZofWo-000ABf-Cq; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 01:37:10 +0300 Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 01:37:10 +0300 From: Slawa Olhovchenkov To: Bryan Drewery Cc: John Baldwin , 'freebsd-arch' Subject: Re: Retiring in-tree GDB Message-ID: <20151020223710.GI42243@zxy.spb.ru> References: <2678091.es0AGJQ0Ou@ralph.baldwin.cx> <5626B15C.4080408@FreeBSD.org> <5626B4C9.6020307@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5626B4C9.6020307@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: slw@zxy.spb.ru X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on zxy.spb.ru); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 22:37:14 -0000 On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 02:40:25PM -0700, Bryan Drewery wrote: > Other things to consider is that this increases build time for a tool > that only developers need. Given it is not a drop-in replacement for > gdb, a tool that people have become accustomed to over several decades, > the bar for adding it into the base system should be higher. Build time is wrong goal: end user don't need recompile system. Right way: for general purpose (not embeded system and not kernel developer) system don't need be recompiling. All features and tunuing may be do by sysctl (prefer) or loader tunable. Tracking -STABLE may be done in binary form, may be from private build server. If you talk about recompile system and also talk "install compiler package for system reompile" -- I am remeber badly Linux's time, with incompatible combinations of kernel, userland, libc, compiler, package manager and other hell.