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Date:      Fri, 8 Nov 2002 12:17:00 -0500 (EST)
From:      Daniel Eischen <eischen@pcnet1.pcnet.com>
To:        "M. Warner Losh" <imp@bsdimp.com>
Cc:        ataraxia@cox.net, current@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: [PATCH] note the __sF change in src/UPDATING
Message-ID:  <Pine.GSO.4.10.10211081205020.27766-100000@pcnet1.pcnet.com>
In-Reply-To: <20021108.092732.124899267.imp@bsdimp.com>

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On Fri, 8 Nov 2002, M. Warner Losh wrote:

> In message: <200211081149.gA8BnGF5073259@arkadia.nv.cox.net>
>             Ray Kohler <ataraxia@cox.net> writes:
> : > From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov  8 02:45:04 2002
> : > Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 00:39:35 -0700 (MST)
> : > To: current@FreeBSD.ORG
> : > Subject: Re: [PATCH] note the __sF change in src/UPDATING
> : > From: "M. Warner Losh" <imp@bsdimp.com>
> : >
> : > In message: <200211072337.gA7NbK1m082069@arkadia.nv.cox.net>
> : >             Ray Kohler <ataraxia@cox.net> writes:
> : > : Hear hear, I agree. There's no need to expose what ought to be
> : > : "private" data to the world, especially when we can get the additional
> : > : benefit here of letting us play with the implementation.
> : >
> : > -current already does this.  The problem is that we're trying to shoot
> : > the bad access in the head, and that is what is screwing people.  So
> : > the problem isn't that we're trying to export private data to the
> : > world.  Quite the contrary, we're trying to eliminate it and having
> : > growing pains.
> : 
> : Exactly. That's why I'm arguing against putting __sF back (or
> : adopting equally crapulent measures). Growing pains are a necessary evil.
> : (I also agree that we probably ought to staticize any other things of
> : this nature while we're at it and get the pain over with.)
> 
> Yes, but this is too painful.  If we were going to do this, the time
> for the pain was 6-9 months ago, not just before the release.

All the ports are going to be rebuilt for the release anyways,
so this doesn't affect fresh installs, correct?  It is only a
problem when mixing older 4.x and 5.0 libraries/binaries with
__sF-free libc (if I understand things correctly).

This is 5.0; it is a major release and there will be some flies
in the ointment.  I say bite the bullet now -- don't wait.
If we want to provide an optional compatability hack to libc
so that folks can compile it with __sF support, then I think
that is better than leaving __sF in the release, perhaps
with a mktemp(3)-like warning if possible (?).

-- 
Dan Eischen


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