From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 10 22:47:49 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 297E816A468 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 22:47:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jrh29@volatile.engineering.cwru.edu) Received: from beta.eecs.cwru.edu (beta.EECS.CWRU.Edu [129.22.150.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1393513C4EF for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 22:47:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jrh29@volatile.engineering.cwru.edu) Received: from volatile.engineering.cwru.edu ([::ffff:129.22.150.118]) by beta.eecs.cwru.edu with esmtp; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:53:48 -0500 id 000AC804.47865BAC.00003B70 Received: (nullmailer pid 16822 invoked by uid 4269); Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:00:10 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:00:10 -0500 From: jrh29@alumni.cwru.edu To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20080110170010.GA16567@volatile.engineering.cwru.edu> References: <478556AD.6090400@bsdforen.de> <20080110154737.GA20976@soaustin.net> <47864933.6010203@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <47864933.6010203@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Subject: Re: Why the FreeBSD license will not be changing X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 22:47:49 -0000 On Thu, Jan 10, 2008 at 11:34:59AM -0500, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > > And that is fine as long as people do not start to use it for *mission > critical* apps... once this starts to happen there is real money and > real jobs at stake and to some extent people would be reluctant to use > a product that is treated as hobby (this is why windows is still the > dominate OS... see > http://www.detroitguy.com/2007/12/21/the-truth-about-linux/)... do you > really want people who think war is fun running the DoD? So your entire purpose of starting this thread is to say that "FreeBSD will only be commercially viable if it's done the commercial way"? Sorry, but proof that it's not the case exists in many places, you've named one yourself -- Yahoo!. Juniper, Apple, Cisco, and many others also use FreeBSD and base their entire revenue stream on products based on FreeBSD, and other BSD, code. If I had more time available, I would contribute to FreeBSD. As it stands I have many other projects that are longer in the making. However, I have submitted patches and bug reports, and they're all answered in a reasonable time, or filed away for when developers get enough time to look at them. Guess what -- the Linux kernel is developed the exact same way. If you submit a bug report, there's no guarantee that it will be responded to and fixed immediately, even though a large number of the contributors _are_ paid by RedHat, SuSE, Mandriva, etc. It just isn't possible. > > Purely from my own personal self interest I would actually like to see > FreeBSD and all other OS's fail... I am making these purposes for > idealistic reasons only (and likelly to my material harm a few years > down the road) > I think we can all see this appears to be your ultimate goal, you're taking a pretty heavy-handed approach to reaching it too. > > > > Now please, go away and stop putting your plans for whatever > > project under whatever culture you're trying to establish, under > > our banner, on our mailing lists. I second, third, and fourth this. - Justin