From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 26 8:53:26 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from nagual.pp.ru (pobrecita.freebsd.ru [194.87.13.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AA4637B400; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 08:53:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from pobrecita.freebsd.ru (ache@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nagual.pp.ru (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g1QGqVgS054395; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 19:52:35 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from ache@pobrecita.freebsd.ru) Received: (from ache@localhost) by pobrecita.freebsd.ru (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id g1QGqUQl054394; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 19:52:30 +0300 (MSK) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 19:52:29 +0300 From: =?koi8-r?B?4c7E0sXKIP7F0s7P1w==?= To: Alexey Dokuchaev Cc: Garrett Wollman , Maxim Sobolev , cvs-committers@freebsd.org, cvs-all@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: or not ? [Was: cvs commit: src/include grp.h] Message-ID: <20020226165229.GA54321@nagual.pp.ru> References: <200202251355.g1PDtmb35078@freefall.freebsd.org> <20020225140030.GD33818@nagual.pp.ru> <3C7A458F.427FFF8A@FreeBSD.org> <20020225142352.GA34378@nagual.pp.ru> <200202251828.g1PISL382207@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <20020226084959.GA43948@nagual.pp.ru> <20020226151423.A57693@cytherea.weblab.nsu.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020226151423.A57693@cytherea.weblab.nsu.ru> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Feb 26, 2002 at 15:14:23 +0600, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: > On Tue, Feb 26, 2002 at 11:49:59AM +0300, Andrey A. Chernov wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 25, 2002 at 13:28:21 -0500, Garrett Wollman wrote: > > > < said: > > > > > > >> From IEEE P1003.1 Draft 7: > > > > > > You're looking at the wrong document. FreeBSD is very far from being > > > ready to implement POSIX 2001 header files. POSIX 1990, which we do > > > implement, requires almost everywhere. > > > > Well, if we are very far, it will be just little step to be closer. On > > other case we will be very far forever. If you mean hypotetical one-step > > transition mega-patch in future, it will breaks too many things at once to > > be something real. > > Is there any chance we will come anywhere close to POSIX 2001 at all? > What about targeting to POSIX 1990/1996 *now* instead of aiming to the > standard that would likely be rendered obsolete by the time we would > reach it? Especially, we still appear to not have an agreement on > standard changes introduced between 1996 and 2001. Please note that in the case we discuss proposed change is backward compatible with 1996 standard, i.e. including in addition to not produce any unwanted effects. -- Andrey A. Chernov http://ache.pp.ru/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message