Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2022 00:40:15 -0800 From: Chris <portmaster@bsdforge.com> To: Alexander Leidinger <Alexander@leidinger.net> Cc: "Patrick M. Hausen" <hausen@punkt.de>, Baptiste Daroussin <bapt@freebsd.org>, ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [HEADSUP] Deprecation of the ftp support in pkg Message-ID: <3f4b00a08abdaade56413655b76c0dfc@bsdforge.com> In-Reply-To: <20220124080607.Horde.Qdg4TGaiUbEK2BiO45HV8zG@webmail.leidinger.net> References: <20220120142519.a5juoe75oppmnyby@aniel.nours.eu> <f1aca07d3cedd30b9a1df6624e950ffb@bsdforge.com> <e10f85c4-ed28-4475-bcbf-d4e572a6b954@FreeBSD.org> <d284c4d5d415fc17d3d7fbed354ddc77@bsdforge.com> <c93d717c-a62e-44ab-b5bf-f109810d65c4@FreeBSD.org> <a517d06c2faeed9883d5da787e4307ed@bsdforge.com> <DEF3FF17-5F38-4E1E-A55C-7E7472826AB9@punkt.de> <20220124080607.Horde.Qdg4TGaiUbEK2BiO45HV8zG@webmail.leidinger.net>
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--=_b96712192decb22fcbc07aea1934addd Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On 2022-01-23 23:06, Alexander Leidinger wrote: > Quoting "Patrick M. Hausen" <hausen@punkt.de> (from Sun, 23 Jan 2022 > 19:19:57 +0100): > >>> Am 22.01.2022 um 09:35 schrieb Chris <portmaster@bsdforge.com>: >>> I find it's less "housekeeping" to use ftp(1) setup through inetd(8) for >>> pkg repos, than >>> via ssh. >> >> I understand the appeal of FTP. >> Maybe this discussion is focusing on the wrong topic. Perhaps >> we should consider including a light weight way to serve HTTP(S) >> in base? Like Lighttpd, which as far as I know comes with a BSD >> 3-clause equivalent license. >> >> But then the general tendency has been to remove network services >> from base rather than introduce them. Like e.g. BIND. >> >> So I really have no idea what the general opinion is, just wanted >> to throw in that IMHO HTTPS is the best protocol to the task and >> if some way to serve that could be included in base, I for one would >> appreciate that. > > Personally I think that a http(s) server is not needed in base, as long as > we > don't need it for something in base (and I wouldn't mind if ftpd would get > removed from base for the same reason). Installing a package is easy enough > (no > matter if for http or ftp). > > I think in this thread it was mentioned that someone didn't want to install > 3rd > party software for this. I still can't wrap my head around that part...: It's not the removal from base || adding 3rd party "stuff". It's the removal of the *ability* to *use* ftp(1) as a transport with pkg(8). > - we talk about a tool which is used to exclusively install 3rd party > software (pkg) > - this tool itself is installed like a 3rd party software (package/port, > the > system-pkg is only a bootstrap) > - and the complete context is serving 3rd party software from a tool which > builds 3rd party software locally (poudriere) or at least a downloaded > subset > from FreeBSD > - poudriere is also not in the base system but installed like a 3rd party > software > - maintaining a list of software you are interested in (be it for > poudriere or > for automated downloads of FreeBSD packages into a local repo) seems more > effort > to me, than setting up one more 3rd party software for local file > distribution > > I wanted to propose here to include config snippeds for apache/nginx/thttp > for > such an use-case to decrease the configuration burden, but this seems to be > already the case (at least for nginx/apache). I can't see within 30sec any > docs > about this in the poudriere wiki, so maybe adding a prominent pointer to it > there > might be an improvement? > > Bye, > Alexander. -- Chris --=_b96712192decb22fcbc07aea1934addd Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: application/pgp-keys; name=0xBDE49540.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=0xBDE49540.asc; size=5028 -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- mQENBGDTzGEBCADHlXdS4V57s2soaEK2wi3o9rr9zo7to/giBSxCpFYJxOnPkL5A 2ibbvflrL8sWvAczx47wgDS7iIhzICBBRdnXtcFGnoeeriV27LSn+PcpnIB+DaWZ xe+6TDC0Z0JUJ7qDTjUBFzhnQGYlrVvc4WbnWTjJaB1LEwgIX8JqX5S3SX0/oXgs +OtqDuENZ4/a5te5xPnspTv/5NJHjqYGxjHP0Vw0KjRKS1AoJ1SBPSMQV5373AX9 5NzFS+CjqeQhjfHFPeRajQ8t4T6eqhKA7LtKMO1egeAwNehk9ZoEqEBT2+ojuKUd oSuzqvhhx+eUIYLFqoPSzMKR+YbStzergsbnABEBAAG0KUNocmlzIEh1dGNoaW5z b24gPGNocmlzaEB1bHRpbWF0ZWRucy5uZXQ+iQFrBBABCABVBgsJBwgDAgQVCAoC AxYCAQIZAQIbAwIeARgYaGtwczovL2tleXMub3BlbnBncC5vcmcWIQQGJAsyyBlk cuwsSYsYdR58veSVQAUCYNQl+wUJA8LAmgAKCRAYdR58veSVQN3NB/sFTeXrZeDk 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