From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 6 16:43:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13FCEEC3 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2013 16:43:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-oa0-f41.google.com (mail-oa0-f41.google.com [209.85.219.41]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C70CA2E61 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2013 16:43:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oa0-f41.google.com with SMTP id j6so4210008oag.28 for ; Fri, 06 Sep 2013 09:43:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:subject:mime-version:content-type:from :in-reply-to:date:cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references :to; bh=fGwB4DgDRjkNQNnFtzT82iNLkdU9Nea8btLTadASG5k=; b=a+yhcy7FuUZzVkET++NgP8C4tYPshaWiJL/12tE0rPnIIvqhfmejc/XbKCJpF+WS56 xGICY3Pp6ysxxUuN3vGsPyIen0YbM3TmqMhknp3CBOfNlJcuYaD9uDVFojxJHSyztOzF IJ3Wvx0DSZoNlLIFrIt/HvbYqCqBmA3ePc2XSUV+BLS3h1EvMHihaFLZPGBbnt2sxpCG mrXU6cKd+IgTPC38nGi79yEi+srT9x/oNv0/hMh8o7Ni1+eTjVBkdYO81G1Jhc7UtUNB 14LyrCpmupQPMf/+K1CsMGL+NxTwU+ugdsJ2nfL4XMMSaSg3qFr+EVl1dR8YBtvUxWy2 FzpA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQns3CZK6fQ25SNVQ9pUMWHc1u7tvp53wJY+AfMW7/d6ASBkiRqJ22Ce0pvPi70zr8KTMXUn X-Received: by 10.60.116.230 with SMTP id jz6mr2544160oeb.21.1378485816441; Fri, 06 Sep 2013 09:43:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fusionlt2834a.int.fusionio.com ([209.117.142.2]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id a18sm3167716obf.7.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 06 Sep 2013 09:43:35 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Warner Losh Subject: Re: random(4) plugin infrastructure for mulitple RNG in a modular fashion Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Warner Losh In-Reply-To: <20130906160955.A34385807E@chaos.jnpr.net> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 10:43:33 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <9F539D59-7F16-41BD-BA87-7E592FDC2B10@bsdimp.com> References: <20130816002625.GE76666@x96.org> <9B274F48-0C88-4117-BEAC-1A555772A3C5@grondar.org> <86a9kf733d.fsf@nine.des.no> <0C97B866-A169-4141-8368-AA7F5B5382F4@grondar.org> <861u5r71zi.fsf@nine.des.no> <892B11BD-396D-4F82-B97C-753F72CA494D@grondar.org> <86r4dr5j3p.fsf@nine.des.no> <4C1BD77C-8C6B-4044-9285-5978A3BC4B70@kientzle.com> <537622E1-F785-4BFA-B829-09DCDB484606@grondar.org> <932AB5CA-778E-438D-8FD3-8C0F29F3D117@kientzle.com> <20130823231808.GT94127@funkthat.com> <0ABD5A7F-D647-4958-92DB-79D277C9AE7C@grondar.org> <20130906160955.A34385807E@chaos.jnpr.net> To: "Simon J. Gerraty" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Cc: FreeBSD Security Team , Mark R V Murray , FreeBSD-arch Arch X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2013 16:43:43 -0000 On Sep 6, 2013, at 10:09 AM, Simon J. Gerraty wrote: >=20 > On Fri, 6 Sep 2013 09:46:57 -0600, Warner Losh writes: >> Especially in light of the recent NSA revelations... I for one won't = trust=3D >> hardware random number generation... >>=20 >> I find it interesting that earlier in the thread there was a desire = by a ce=3D >> rtain router company to fulfill the NSA's requirement that it use the = rando=3D >=20 > Be able to. I think we all prefer the idea of feeding entropy sources > into a mixer like yarrow or even better fortuna. Yea, I think we wound up in a good place after all the discussion, but = given the news I couldn't let it go by... Warner