From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 5 00:33:39 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6D0F16A46E for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 00:33:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.181]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AD6A13C4C3 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 00:33:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so706008pyb for ; Thu, 04 Oct 2007 17:33:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=/d6895Ha0CGeiBGX/2gbCe76aSAguWDMdIEQiU4SuE4=; b=Wm1TiBaQu04lyix9W+e+dIQ0LT1iFb9f/1tHSHeeLIlQAnCFDyhTBeBSBI5GjmcncUYsUAQ164XL185ErX39LRxs5/94tk9+INoQaWMIoV6oI/aLUq9Ziy33gje+nvT2aVBycfDuNtAI/JI32jZQj9PNuGDadVZNI5j++rM2ksw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=cQ8gGHwfhYXzzEctTj5Bf5hBA1Znce8dfkg4dkKSaNh3OBKF527OXkrvOZCxiuad0bBaM/WL6NZWYcutxbWs6ScyhKwZI9b7YRGkmw2SxDDM0f3GRAOM3D0s40ajUYpS28eji+MmkZfj/VRhSjL6S5/qgiiMpFoCDP0UGxi52ew= Received: by 10.65.141.18 with SMTP id t18mr2031626qbn.1191544418170; Thu, 04 Oct 2007 17:33:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.105.2 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:33:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 00:33:38 +0000 From: "Aryeh Friedman" To: "Doug Barton" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4703218B.7000603@webvolution.net> <47036164.4040609@moneybookers.com> <470368AA.30108@moneybookers.com> Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: small purposal for change in installworld X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 00:33:39 -0000 On 10/5/07, Doug Barton wrote: > On Wed, 3 Oct 2007, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > > > Sorry for being a little abrasive... my main point is we should aim > > for more of a "point and click" style of doing things... apple and ms > > have done it pretty well for the average case. > > I think your mistake is in thinking that this is a goal shared by the > developers who actually do the work on the base system. I say this as > someone who has actually spent quite a lot of time working on parts of the > system that make maintenance, operation, and UI issues "easier" for users. I never meant point and click in the ui sense... enough private discussion with various kernel level developers has clarified that... if a particular developer agrees to a purposal I made I will probally be helping out with imrpoving ULE. > > There is a certain level below which you can't go without radically > changing the "personality" of the project. Several people have pointed you > to other projects that use FreeBSD as the OS but add more user-friendly > stuff on top. I think this is a good approach, and my read of the > developer community is that this is the direction things will go in the > future as well. As I have said in the private discussions with various people on this thread to fully implement most of my ideas requires a ground up rewrite of the whole OS (which I am *NOT* asking anyone to do... but I am using FreeBSD as the development springboard for this [my own work])