From owner-cvs-all Thu Sep 13 13:13:56 2001 Delivered-To: cvs-all@freebsd.org Received: from Awfulhak.org (gw.Awfulhak.org [217.204.245.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 222B737B409; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 13:13:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (root@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org [fec0::1:12]) by Awfulhak.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id f8DKDfi21738; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 21:13:42 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@freebsd-services.com) Received: from hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (brian@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id f8DKDbd95974; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 21:13:37 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@freebsd-services.com) Message-Id: <200109132013.f8DKDbd95974@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: brian@freebsd-services.com, paul@freebsd-services.com, will@physics.purdue.edu, imp@freebsd.org, cvs-committers@freebsd.org, cvs-all@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/pccard pccard.c pcic.c pcic_pci.c pcicvar.h In-Reply-To: Message from Jordan Hubbard of "Thu, 13 Sep 2001 12:46:41 PDT." <20010913124641B.jkh@freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 21:13:37 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > I think it's a bit unfair to challenge people like this. People > > contribute to FreeBSD in more ways than just coding.... commit counts > > aren't proportional to project participation. > > Not to pick on you Brian, but everytime someone has the temerity to > suggest that coding contributions DO matter, especially when we're so > demonstrably and critically short of such resources, somebody else > pops up and ignites this same tired smoke screen of denial and it > sucks. You're misrepresenting the facts. I didn't suggest that coding contributions don't matter. I suggested that they aren't the only thing that matter. > Sure, there are other ways in which the project can be improved other > than coding - documentation can be written and new software can be > added to the ports collection or updated in place. But each of those > examples have one very important thing in common - they represent a > significant and visible investment in the project, the kind of > investment which is important not just for its own sake but for the > message it sends to others that things ARE happening and progress is > being made. Absolutely, they're easy to measure. My point is that attempting to silence people on the basis that their contributions aren't measurable is unfair. For example, I have no idea what most of the people that post to the mailing lists do from day to day. I therefore wouldn't presume to be in a position to tell them to contribute to the project in a more visible way... "Hey, Bob Bruce, why are you complaining that 1.9-release has corrupt boot blocks in the ISO image ? What have you ever done for FreeBSD ? Fix the damn things yourself !" > Let's also not forget that these sorts of "put up or shut up" > criticisms aren't generally made in a vacuum, with somebody just > deciding to pop his cork out of the blue and suggest that maybe people > should start writing some code or docs or whatever. They're made in > reaction to some self-appointed policeman waving his arms around and > telling others how to do their work under the mistaken impression that > this is a "contribution" which somehow measures up to that of those > actually DOING the work. I'm sorry, but no matter how you try to spin > reality and alter the terms of our social contract in such a way that > the project gestapo are now considered equivalent to the hard-core > developers, it just doesn't make it so. So you're saying that people who don't contribute to the project in a clearly measurable way have no say on the mailing lists ? I'm sure I'm getting the wrong end of the stick here. > - Jordan -- Brian http://www.freebsd-services.com/ Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour ! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe cvs-all" in the body of the message