From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 8 19:12:59 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 700661065674 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 2009 19:12:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sam@freebsd.org) Received: from ebb.errno.com (ebb.errno.com [69.12.149.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F7228FC16 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 2009 19:12:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sam@freebsd.org) Received: from trouble.errno.com (trouble.errno.com [10.0.0.248]) (authenticated bits=0) by ebb.errno.com (8.13.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id n18JCwnC013295 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 8 Feb 2009 11:12:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sam@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <498F2EBA.9000106@freebsd.org> Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 11:12:58 -0800 From: Sam Leffler Organization: FreeBSD Project User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gavin Atkinson References: <20090206045349.GQ78804@elvis.mu.org> <498C013B.4000405@FreeBSD.org> <20090208052110.GY78804@elvis.mu.org> <1234119008.7997.32.camel@buffy.york.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <1234119008.7997.32.camel@buffy.york.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: ebb.errno.com; whitelist Cc: usb@freebsd.org, current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HEADSUP usb2/usb4bsd to become default in GENERIC X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 19:12:59 -0000 Gavin Atkinson wrote: > On Sat, 2009-02-07 at 21:21 -0800, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > >> * Maxim Sobolev [090206 01:50] wrote: >> >>> Alfred Perlstein wrote: >>> >>>> - Update GENERIC to use usb2 device names. >>>> >>> Wasn't there a plan to rename usb2 devices to match oldusb names (where >>> applicable) once oldusb had been killed? I don't see it in the list. >>> >> Probably, although coming from the other side as a user I find it pretty >> annoying when there's somewhat gratuitous changes to the kernel config >> files that I don't really care about that cause my kernels to break. >> > > The vast majority of our users do not run -CURRENT, and so haven't had > to change config files yet. > > One day, those users will be migrating from 7.x to 8.x, and shouldn't > need to change their kernel config for a "somewhat gratuitous change". > > Your argument only works if people had already had to change their > config files once (usb -> usb2), and that by renaming these back they > will have to change their kernel config back. Only people running > -CURRENT will end up having to do this twice (or indeed at all) if the > rename takes place, end users will not need to do it at all. > > >> Basically, calling it usb2 isn't as bad as renaming it back to "usb" >> as it's less disruptive in my book. >> > > Again, I disagree. > I agree with your comments. And, as I've said previously, any name changes from usb1 will require _all_ documentation (manual pages, handbook, etc) to change; not a good idea. Sam