Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 10:32:58 -0700 From: Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> To: rb@gid.co.uk Cc: freebsd-arch <freebsd-arch@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Dropping firewire support from boot loader Message-ID: <CANCZdfpNCPxzAXZhCu1Uw0qUgeuuK8A4xO-_19u57f%2BbLA2sQA@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8FAA2C39-3394-49A8-865D-CF580A3EB52C@gid.co.uk> References: <D894955D-22EF-4EFC-B584-962742917B3C.ref@yahoo.com> <D894955D-22EF-4EFC-B584-962742917B3C@yahoo.com> <CANCZdfoasP-FgLc5nsCXXa5Q7oi2EZk-s7MNWsaJjrn1AFtjfA@mail.gmail.com> <A1183C13-644D-4F4B-9BF2-0BB8A03CC9D3@gid.co.uk> <CANCZdfr5KLhWVtTsi7o6p14qACY3_fksHZzRtAL-K8B4zuAvzA@mail.gmail.com> <5E84C24A-E90F-4EE2-B054-EEDCC23DD6E6@gid.co.uk> <CANCZdfq=-XXp-pJZmYyUHyN9GiVPKfKn8Rx7E33w4-WT1f=fdQ@mail.gmail.com> <8FAA2C39-3394-49A8-865D-CF580A3EB52C@gid.co.uk>
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--0000000000006b04e705edc2195d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Bob, Thanks for trying all this out. I'm going to go ahead and retire it. If someone wants to bring it back after testing and fixing, we can talk about it then. Warner On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 5:30 AM <rb@gid.co.uk> wrote: > Hi, > > It doesn=E2=80=99t seem to work. Building with LOADER_FIREWIRE_SUPPORT do= esn=E2=80=99t > actually get libfirewire.a built but adding the subdir to the list fixes > that. > > The resulting loader booted from a USB stick goes BTX Halted straight awa= y. > > > On 12 Nov 2022, at 20:49, Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Sat, Nov 12, 2022, 1:25 PM Bob Bishop <rb@gid.co.uk> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Well, the kernel support =E2=80=98just works=E2=80=99 so installing on = to a firewire > disk is straightforward; just load up firewire.ko and sbp.ko, and the dis= k > comes up through CAM. > > > > However, I couldn=E2=80=99t get the loader to see the disk; I don=E2=80= =99t think this > build of the loader includes the firewire bits. Not helped on my hardware > because the BIOS doesn=E2=80=99t have firewire disk boot support. > > > > Firmware isn't built by default. You need a special build for that... > what is loading /boot/loader? Not sure you could boot the system with it = if > the bios doesn't support it (except by having a tiny disk that the BIOS > understands and using that to boot off the fireworks root). > > > > Warner > > > > Warner > > > > > On 10 Nov 2022, at 21:53, Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote: > > > > > > I've created a diff: https://reviews.freebsd.org/D37334 > > > > > > Warner > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2022 at 3:07 AM Bob Bishop <rb@gid.co.uk> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > > On 9 Nov 2022, at 23:55, Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 9, 2022 at 3:42 PM Mark Millard <marklmi@yahoo.com> > wrote: > > > > Warner Losh <imp_at_bsdimp.com> wrote on > > > > Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2022 20:01:41 UTC : > > > > > > > > > I'd like to drop firewire support from the boot loader. It's not > been used > > > > > in quite some time, as far as I can tell. Nor have I (or anybody > else) > > > > > tested it in forever. > > > > > > > > > > Is anybody still using it? Does anybody know if it works? Any > objections to > > > > > removing it from FreeBSD 14? > > > > > > I think I still have hardware that will do this. I can check it out i= f > anyone cares... > > > > > > > I would suggest that old PowerMac's might be the most > > > > likely usage context. > > > > > > > > Right now, though, this is an i386 only feature... > > > > > > > > Warner > > > > > > -- > > > Bob Bishop > > > rb@gid.co.uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Bob Bishop > > rb@gid.co.uk > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Bob Bishop t: +44 (0)118 940 1243 > rb@gid.co.uk m: +44 (0)783 626 4518 > > > > > > --0000000000006b04e705edc2195d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hi Bob,</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for trying al= l this out. I'm going to go ahead and retire it. If someone wants to br= ing it back after testing and fixing, we can talk=C2=A0about it then.</div>= <div><br></div><div>Warner</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"= ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 5:30 AM <<a href=3D"ma= ilto:rb@gid.co.uk">rb@gid.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class= =3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rg= b(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br> <br> It doesn=E2=80=99t seem to work. Building with LOADER_FIREWIRE_SUPPORT does= n=E2=80=99t actually get libfirewire.a built but adding the subdir to the l= ist fixes that.<br> <br> The resulting loader booted from a USB stick goes BTX Halted straight away.= <br> <br> > On 12 Nov 2022, at 20:49, Warner Losh <<a href=3D"mailto:imp@bsdimp= .com" target=3D"_blank">imp@bsdimp.com</a>> wrote:<br> > <br> > <br> > <br> > On Sat, Nov 12, 2022, 1:25 PM Bob Bishop <<a href=3D"mailto:rb@gid.= co.uk" target=3D"_blank">rb@gid.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br> > Hi,<br> > <br> > Well, the kernel support =E2=80=98just works=E2=80=99 so installing on= to a firewire disk is straightforward; just load up firewire.ko and sbp.ko= , and the disk comes up through CAM.<br> > <br> > However, I couldn=E2=80=99t get the loader to see the disk; I don=E2= =80=99t think this build of the loader includes the firewire bits. Not help= ed on my hardware because the BIOS doesn=E2=80=99t have firewire disk boot = support.<br> > <br> > Firmware isn't built by default. You need a special build for that= ... what is loading /boot/loader? Not sure you could boot the system with i= t if the bios doesn't support it (except by having a tiny disk that the= BIOS understands and using that to boot off the fireworks root).<br> > <br> > Warner <br> > <br> > Warner <br> > <br> > > On 10 Nov 2022, at 21:53, Warner Losh <<a href=3D"mailto:imp@b= sdimp.com" target=3D"_blank">imp@bsdimp.com</a>> wrote:<br> > > <br> > > I've created a diff: <a href=3D"https://reviews.freebsd.org/D= 37334" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://reviews.freebsd.org/D37= 334</a><br> > > <br> > > Warner<br> > > <br> > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2022 at 3:07 AM Bob Bishop <<a href=3D"mailto:= rb@gid.co.uk" target=3D"_blank">rb@gid.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br> > > Hi,<br> > > <br> > > > On 9 Nov 2022, at 23:55, Warner Losh <<a href=3D"mailto:i= mp@bsdimp.com" target=3D"_blank">imp@bsdimp.com</a>> wrote:<br> > > > <br> > > > <br> > > > <br> > > > On Wed, Nov 9, 2022 at 3:42 PM Mark Millard <<a href=3D"m= ailto:marklmi@yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank">marklmi@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:= <br> > > > Warner Losh <<a href=3D"http://imp_at_bsdimp.com" rel=3D"= noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">imp_at_bsdimp.com</a>> wrote on<br> > > > Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2022 20:01:41 UTC :<br> > > > <br> > > > > I'd like to drop firewire support from the boot loa= der. It's not been used<br> > > > > in quite some time, as far as I can tell. Nor have I (o= r anybody else)<br> > > > > tested it in forever.<br> > > > > <br> > > > > Is anybody still using it? Does anybody know if it work= s? Any objections to<br> > > > > removing it from FreeBSD 14?<br> > > <br> > > I think I still have hardware that will do this. I can check it o= ut if anyone cares... <br> > > <br> > > > I would suggest that old PowerMac's might be the most<br= > > > > likely usage context.<br> > > > <br> > > > Right now, though, this is an i386 only feature...<br> > > > <br> > > > Warner<br> > > <br> > > --<br> > > Bob Bishop<br> > > <a href=3D"mailto:rb@gid.co.uk" target=3D"_blank">rb@gid.co.uk</a= ><br> > > <br> > > <br> > > <br> > > <br> > <br> > --<br> > Bob Bishop<br> > <a href=3D"mailto:rb@gid.co.uk" target=3D"_blank">rb@gid.co.uk</a><br> > <br> > <br> > <br> > <br> <br> <br> --<br> Bob Bishop=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0t: +44 (0)118 940 1243<br> <a href=3D"mailto:rb@gid.co.uk" target=3D"_blank">rb@gid.co.uk</a>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0m: +44 (0)783 626 4518<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> </blockquote></div></div> --0000000000006b04e705edc2195d--
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