From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 15 18:58:48 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DCD81065678 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:58:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46A288FC1D for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:58:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.22]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 15 Mar 2009 14:58:47 -0400 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.10.4-GA) with ESMTP id PPH83273; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 14:58:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-6-22-188.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.22.188]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 15 Mar 2009 14:58:47 -0400 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <18877.20454.158768.486331@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 14:58:46 -0400 To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <1237142357.1774.14.camel@balrog.2hip.net> References: <38992BCD-BFD6-47F7-B707-54415801CCEB@gmail.com> <18877.1409.511002.357436@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <1237142357.1774.14.camel@balrog.2hip.net> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Cc: Subject: Re: linux 3d applications keep crashing X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:58:49 -0000 Robert Noland writes: > > The alternative - which sounds seductive but may have its own > > issues - would be to fill the Nvidia requests and let them write and > > maintain the code. Again, worthy project (which might have > > collateral benefits). Again, a lot of work. And an even more > > esoteric skill-set. > > The features that Nvidia has requested are fairly reasonable and > could be used in the open source drivers as well. Question: would anything _other_ than graphics cards find these features useful? > But, even if/when we deliver those features, they may not be > MFC-able. Any ABI changes in either Xorg or our kernel, > generally will render the blob useless... That might be a path worth taking. A one time change, well conceived and executed, that goes along with a ".0" release should not be that disruptive. Robert "in my uninformed guesstimate" Huff