From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 5 12:53:07 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6187F16A4D0; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 12:53:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [63.229.157.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C83D43D4C; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 12:53:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from runaround.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp1000.lariat.org@lariat.org [63.229.157.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA16019; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 13:52:52 -0700 (MST) X-message-flag: Warning! Use of Microsoft Outlook renders your system susceptible to Internet worms. Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20040105134236.03b51cc0@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 13:52:50 -0700 To: "Munden, Randall J" , , From: Brett Glass In-Reply-To: <79B4EAB03B5E4649A740A8C1452F60643523F0@y6001a.umb.corp.umb .com> References: <79B4EAB03B5E4649A740A8C1452F60643523F0@y6001a.umb.corp.umb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 05:23:55 -0800 cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Where is FreeBSD going? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 20:53:07 -0000 At 12:40 PM 1/5/2004, Munden, Randall J wrote: >Right. What concerns me most is the rise in the incidence of trolls all >trolling about the same subject or along the same vein. Would someone >please explain what is going on? As a production user of fBSD this is >troubling. It's probably one of the Slashdot "BSD is dead" trolls. The fact is, though, that there ARE things about FreeBSD that could stand improvement. These days, when I build a box, I am torn between using FreeBSD 5.x -- which is not ready for prime time but is at least being worked on actively -- and using 4.9, which isn't as stable as it should be because the developers broke the cardinal rule of making radical changes to -STABLE. This *is* a real issue for those of us who are admins. FreeBSD also keeps falling farther and farther behind Linux in the area of advocacy (and, hence, corporate adoption). Again, this is a governance issue. Many of the developers actually have an antipathy toward advocacy, since they dislike answering newbie FAQs and don't want too many people to adopt the OS for fear that it'll overcrowd their "sandbox." So, some of the criticism is actually valid. --Brett