From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 26 05:00:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE44316A41F for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 05:00:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from glewis@eyesbeyond.com) Received: from misty.eyesbeyond.com (glewis.dsl.xmission.com [166.70.56.15]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA99B43D49 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 05:00:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from glewis@eyesbeyond.com) Received: from misty.eyesbeyond.com (localhost.eyesbeyond.com [127.0.0.1]) by misty.eyesbeyond.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7Q50q1u049071; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 23:00:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from glewis@eyesbeyond.com) Received: (from glewis@localhost) by misty.eyesbeyond.com (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j7Q50pi4049070; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 23:00:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from glewis@eyesbeyond.com) X-Authentication-Warning: misty.eyesbeyond.com: glewis set sender to glewis@eyesbeyond.com using -f Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 23:00:51 -0600 From: Greg Lewis To: Mark Linimon Message-ID: <20050826050051.GA49001@misty.eyesbeyond.com> References: <200508251303.59453.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> <20050825214804.GA46517@misty.eyesbeyond.com> <20050826033743.GC25822@soaustin.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050826033743.GC25822@soaustin.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Cc: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org, Vizion Subject: Re: freebsd eclipse plugins & mailing list X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 05:00:55 -0000 On Thu, Aug 25, 2005 at 10:37:43PM -0500, Mark Linimon wrote: > On Thu, Aug 25, 2005 at 03:48:04PM -0600, Greg Lewis wrote: > > I'd personally like to see eclipse and all of its plugins removed from > > the java category and placed into devel. For example, I find it ridiculous > > that the phpeclipse port is in the Java category. > > Speaking as both a portmgr and a bugmeister, I think the java category > has been a failure. What happens is that people see a 'java' ports > category and then assume that reports about bugs in any Java port should > go to the Java GNATS category (rather than 'ports'). In particular, > these PRs then get missed by portsmon. As well, as you mention, the java > category departs from the existing usage in 'devel' and other places. > > I think TRT is to move everything out of Java that's not actually a JDK > or JRE. And maybe even the things that are :-) > > What do other people think? I essentially agree. Its somewhat persuasive to say that the top level java category can go altogether. No other languages get this special treatment, and its difficult to really make the argument for Java other than inertia and the fact that the devel category is already huge. At the very least, there are many ports in the category that can obviously be moved -- basically everything that is only in the category because its written in Java. Other ports which are related to the JVM or directly to the Java language I could see staying if the category remains (e.g. openjit, jmp, jikes, sablevm, jdk15-doc, etc.). Obviously the JDK/JRE ports stay if the category stays. Maybe moving all the low hanging fruit (the ones which are only there because they are written in Java) would be a good first step? -- Greg Lewis Email : glewis@eyesbeyond.com Eyes Beyond Web : http://www.eyesbeyond.com Information Technology FreeBSD : glewis@FreeBSD.org