From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Feb 5 23:07:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA17619 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 5 Feb 1997 23:07:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA17603 for ; Wed, 5 Feb 1997 23:07:46 -0800 (PST) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.2/8.7.3) id RAA01787; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 17:37:39 +1030 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199702060707.RAA01787@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Karl fulminates, film at 11. == thanks In-Reply-To: <4487.855210199@critter.dk.tfs.com> from Poul-Henning Kamp at "Feb 6, 97 07:23:19 am" To: phk@critter.dk.tfs.com (Poul-Henning Kamp) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 17:37:39 +1030 (CST) Cc: chat@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Poul-Henning Kamp stands accused of saying: > > > >It is perhaps also sobering to observe that the loudest voices demanding > >that the _unpaid_ volunteers do something for them came from people who > >are _making_money_ from FreeBSD, who have claimed to have the sort of > >resources to support the ogoing development of the _entire_system_ by > >themselves and yet _cannot_even_generate_a_four_line_diff_correctly_ > >when challenged to do something or shut up. > > Indeed, a very precise and correct if not entirely polite observation. I wish I could be polite about the whole debacle. I was devestated by Karl's outbreak of irrational boorishness having previously concluded that he was a competent professional, and saddened by the effects of the stress that Jordan's currently under on his normally bright and sensible handling of these situations. At the moment, I'm waiting with bated breath for the inevitable rash of amateur organisationalist comments and the petty point-scoring that's likely to follow. On the whole, I feel there's been far too much drawing of conclusions and not enough listening and understanding, for a variety of reasons, none simple or open to pop rationalisation. Terry has probably codified it best, but all he's managed to do is ask the questions, not propose any answers. Solutions? Hah. It doesn't help that I was watching Wings of Desire/Faraway So Close last night. How depressingly topical. 8( > Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[