Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 13:49:59 +0200 From: Daniel Ebdrup Jensen <debdrup@freebsd.org> To: Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz> Cc: Rick Macklem <rmacklem@uoguelph.ca>, Ed Maste <emaste@freebsd.org>, FreeBSD Hackers <freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Ars Technica article on FreeBSD new user experience Message-ID: <CAJEDNsjj75R%2BVkAt6Rd=xZ15iY9xo77Y_pdAnvnUq_v=hO5Lxg@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <204957c6-1d86-7e55-b3c9-ecaabdcd8be3@quip.cz> References: <CAPyFy2AVfEzey0%2B9-b8ZS1uyn8ODOoNhCHY7fHp2uc9ASiw%2BnA@mail.gmail.com> <QB1PR01MB3649C0BF47DD657D625BCB79DDC10@QB1PR01MB3649.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM> <204957c6-1d86-7e55-b3c9-ecaabdcd8be3@quip.cz>
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On 4/10/20, Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz> wrote: > Rick Macklem wrote on 2020/04/09 23:39: >> Ed Maste <emaste@freebsd.org> wrote: >>> Jim Salter has an article in Ars Technica discussing his experience >>> with FreeBSD 12.1 as a desktop: >>> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/04/not-actually-linux-distro-revie= w-freebsd-12-1-release/ >>> >>> There are some points in there that might involve misunderstanding, >>> but there are also a number of real issues raised about the experience >>> a new (or newish) desktop FreeBSD user will have. It will be a good >>> idea for us to examine these, and offer advice or corrections if >>> appropriate, and otherwise look how we can improve the FreeBSD >>> experience for new users. >> Since this is a public mailing list, I'll repost here... >> >> One thought here that I'll throw out (I have no idea if others have >> suggested >> this before)=E2=80=A6 >> What about creating a separate release for desktops/laptops that install= s >> X Windows etc from a simple installer "out of the box"? >> --> To keep it simple, don't try to support all hardware, just stuff tha= t >> is widely >> available and already well supported by the drivers in FreeBSD. >> Obviously amd64 only plus a few widely available display chip set= s >> that work >> well, etc and so on... >> >> If it doesn't support the hardware someone has, then they can go the >> regular >> release/install route. (It would be nice to maintain an up to date list = of >> what >> hardware it supports, but it might be easier to just have it start up li= ve >> CD >> style and then see if the hardware it needs is there. >> --> Sorry, can't do this display chipset to that sound chip or... > > There has been some attempt to create simple script to setup desktop / > workstation with Xorg > https://euroquis.nl/freebsd/2019/08/12/instant-workstation.html > https://raw.githubusercontent.com/adriaandegroot/FreeBSDTools/master/bin/= instant-workstation > > The biggest problem is graphic driver detection. > > If something like this can be available on newly installed machines then > any new user can run just the one command to get Xorg up and running > with KDE / GNOME / Xfce / Mate... > > Kind regards > Miroslav Lachman > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd.org= " > Is devmatch(8) [1] not intended to solve the problem of auto-detecting hardware? [2] suggests that it works for i915 thanks to johalun@, but I wasn't immediately able to find the equivalent for radeon or amdgpu drivers - and based on [3] it looks like patches are more than welcome. I'm just a docs contributor, but I know we have smarter people than me, so I think it would be awesome if someone could find the time for it. [1]: https://man.freebsd.org/devmatch(8) [2]: https://github.com/FreeBSDDesktop/kms-drm/commit/9a0b7d0cebc2f6acf4f05= ba6ae4b0a191a16afee [3]: https://github.com/FreeBSDDesktop/kms-drm/issues/68
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