From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Apr 22 20:06:55 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50C561581698 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2019 20:06:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek.cedro@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ot1-f45.google.com (mail-ot1-f45.google.com [209.85.210.45]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AD28474F88 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2019 20:06:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek.cedro@gmail.com) Received: by mail-ot1-f45.google.com with SMTP id 64so10690561otb.8 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2019 13:06:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=AoNj+d4uSM1kgWn/osWSycq4IXKYw7y4692Sw9AvjB4=; b=drkBOPiygpCCgF6mSXlFvszT0r6Tcnpfde6X0Q+tEez3Y4ss1D24OYW3f0Z481meBw 5jjcDsSP1hhxxc5fGvqynEdlHgCXqhTJl27E6mwJ/UqHy2ls3xfcozyfVi3X4DwVcrU/ 0rUdGh4i0p47Xh3LJhXV7ScXB4KkVjo9Y8FmjGktfwf0sd9yNXjhjXI6e4KCS7nPrn6/ PsRkVWflmrpBYexcAXewHBNukX/GM6o7OUSO6B8W1Fs1qeP5wSBBquPS+2nj9ug1egiy Q+A47JzNH/ZdV+lP0rpT3jV1EBXIMyG55L7WplxQkXS+bd54mcU6eXHcorNf5xfAQAcE lljw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAX+/Z4AUVnyoCRG7DX91IOB9A0wNAHVbP/J/e0B4klixMLtLOnp zRhRjAEWi6i4a1+LWuZ8qaAvk9FXxduXXoHaQwvq+A== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqx0DmIhBbwh+4Njp8Q7VdWME2Bf2nAD7ogcXEngfHlIrnrHBWwbB8m8fX9MsxDYStR7Ta1oDvStG9mkaDsGUKI= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:648f:: with SMTP id g15mr12005860otl.220.1555952633970; Mon, 22 Apr 2019 10:03:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20190422120438.a46e2f3e.freebsd@edvax.de> <20190422125340.56ed35d3.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20190422125340.56ed35d3.freebsd@edvax.de> From: CeDeROM Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2019 19:03:42 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Descent 3 with wine and OpenGL / Mesa To: Polytropon Cc: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: AD28474F88 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tomekcedro@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.45 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=tomekcedro@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.33 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:209.85.128.0/17]; IP_SCORE(-1.35)[ip: (-0.56), ipnet: 209.85.128.0/17(-3.88), asn: 15169(-2.25), country: US(-0.06)]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[tlen.pl]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[45.210.85.209.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.969,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[cederom@tlen.pl,tomekcedro@gmail.com]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[45.210.85.209.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:209.85.128.0/17, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[cederom@tlen.pl,tomekcedro@gmail.com]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2019 20:06:55 -0000 On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 12:53 PM Polytropon wrote: > (..) Things were easier on DOS, even without Internet... ;-) Yea, at least they were made by people that knew what they do, with no shortcuts, squashed every bit and cycle out of the hardware, just as in Atari, Commodore, Spectrum, Amiga, etc.. in fact FreeBSD comes from that era and mindset, this is why I LOVE FreeBSD :-) Right now, even in a really big powerful dominating corporations, people are re-inventing the wheel, in a bad way, they call it "innovation", no insight into how things are and were made, no optimization, no art of engineering, just focused on generating products quickly and taking over competitors by destruction. Sad. Greetings from Polska, and Happy Easter! :-) Tomek -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info