From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 6 21:15:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 802E716A402 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 21:15:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from harmony.bsdimp.com (vc4-2-0-87.dsl.netrack.net [199.45.160.85]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F6EE13C487 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 21:15:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.bsdimp.com (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l36LCEdh005942; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 15:12:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:12:22 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <20070406.151222.1474621552.imp@bsdimp.com> To: nikolas.britton@gmail.com From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: References: <20070405.140109.39240822.imp@bsdimp.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 4.2 on Emacs 21.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (harmony.bsdimp.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:12:15 -0600 (MDT) Cc: peterjeremy@optushome.com.au, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Do we need this junk? X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 21:15:10 -0000 In message: "Nikolas Britton" writes: : On 4/5/07, Warner Losh wrote: : > From: "Nikolas Britton" : > Subject: Re: Do we need this junk? : > Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 10:39:41 -0500 : > : > > On 4/5/07, Peter Jeremy wrote: : > > > [-stable removed since it's not relevant there] : > > > : > > > On 2007-Apr-05 04:58:17 -0500, Nikolas Britton wrote: : > > > >Can anything in the list below be removed from CURRENT? : > > > > : > > > >legacyfree1# cd dev/ : > > > >legacyfree1# grep -irsn isa ./ | grep -i include : > > > ... : > > > >legacyfree1# grep -irsn mca ./ | grep -i include : > > > ... : > > > : > > > Why do you believe anything in the list might need to be removed? : > > > : > > : > > I'd like to also add that 6-STABLE should be the last branch to support: : > > 1. ISA / EISA : > : > Not going to happen. Maybe EISA, but certainly not ISA, as machines : > made today still need it. : > : > > 2. PC98 Platform. : > : > What do you care? I mean really, what do you care here. There are : > Pentium II class machines that are perfectly good in this class of : > machines. I have one and it runs just fine. : > : > > 3. i486 : > : > So you want to kill all the soekris boxes? Sorry, not going to : > happen. : > : > > 4. i586 : > : > These machines still work, and are still popular in the embedded space : > due to their lower power consumption. : > : > Warner : > : : Well based on the stats I've posted maybe it's time to split FreeBSD : i386 into two platforms, one for embedded/legacy systems and one for : modern systems? The needs for each type of system are diametrically : opposed, and the modern ones make up the majority of deployed systems. : Perhaps FreeBSD i786 or IA32, with the minimum target being a : Willamette based Pentium 4, aka SSE2? There's no need. Thank you for your input. It has been noted and given all the weight it deserves. Have a nice day. Warner