From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Tue Mar 17 13:51:28 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACB95266DF9 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2020 13:51:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [96.47.72.83]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48hZMh2w6Dz41DD for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2020 13:51:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [81.2.117.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) (Authenticated sender: matthew/mail) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C50C6AFC for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2020 13:51:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from liminal.local (unknown [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:583:5c49:dd53:bef2]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 94886E669 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2020 13:51:25 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=FreeBSD.org Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/94886E669; dkim=none; dkim-atps=neutral Subject: Re: what 3rd party boot mgr is required to boot multiple freebsd versions? 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Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7c00489f-b9a2-2cc9-dd6b-dae600019099@snakeoilproductions.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="M4PkxxaQRxeLVWmWdSp3QuYUmushZiKZs" X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2020 13:51:28 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --M4PkxxaQRxeLVWmWdSp3QuYUmushZiKZs Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="9mPhgiX8nPtaOx8FYXstumVH2vHcJkQsU" --9mPhgiX8nPtaOx8FYXstumVH2vHcJkQsU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 17/03/2020 12:58, Florian Limberger wrote: > On 16.03.20 23:33, Chris wrote: >=20 >> For the record. I'm *only* using FreeBSD in this situation. I >> only mentioned Windows above, for the use of it's boot manager. >=20 > If you only use FreeBSD, and also use ZFS, you might find beadm[1] > interesting. >=20 > [1]: https://www.freshports.org/sysutils/beadm >=20 Did you know that the system now comes with bectl(8) which is very similar to beadm? As far as I can tell, the biggest difference is that if you have more than one ZFS in your boot environment then: beadm create FOO is actually equivalent to bectl create -r FOO ie. turning on the recursive functionality in bectl. However, this is not really what the OP was asking about. As I understand it, they were looking for something that would allow choosing between several independent installations of different versions of FreeBSD, rather than having multiple environments in the same installation. You can achieve pretty much the same effect though -- there is a boot menu option to switch between BEs. You would have to manage any ported software between the different OS versions, perhaps by including /usr/local and /var/db/pkg are both parts of your BEs. Cheers, Matthew --9mPhgiX8nPtaOx8FYXstumVH2vHcJkQsU-- --M4PkxxaQRxeLVWmWdSp3QuYUmushZiKZs Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQKTBAEBCgB9FiEEGfFU7L8RLlBUTj8wAFE/EOCp5OcFAl5w1d1fFIAAAAAALgAo aXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3BlbnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldDE5 RjE1NEVDQkYxMTJFNTA1NDRFM0YzMDAwNTEzRjEwRTBBOUU0RTcACgkQAFE/EOCp 5Ofa7g//frR/OYcR3ZrtlUSV6PhmH7VllCWkJgmDUa6FfHt1dahaz1E+5ZwJPswA eiEiiUWI9IFLTGl6GYhQxFx05ANBRwVJ6s/hYTE7iiVZaCOff5sLt/HA72SCCFrT EPOxX7/zvRFnPia1FvHkUSDLmFD8cTrvaaSEeth7+gonJ+ofhNZd0X646h9bhbpI ezhXeh9w2VPhGtwx1okMCUks2C2T6PNUYx179/AJEugNSsHpSdOpWmjNg48sc+Z3 76DQXhhUlyU5w7uAbwRF4VekChKp9UdlhD7ff9YE5tkW5bEo0GM3Totz+bhbuzbZ LWqKPgdHfBHU+F2nmS6lwRw8Jbki2lsftCQE+77OVhONIGdBmKyF38Wud7RxRvyG 3fUimwaI8MNBTG00zGjKEo4eBOYYsxVIDjEtm5mFjk4mv+3q7LQ9fe0dtQepAJSq +1DUZoR/VfElUnzK61FsNlRK4mS/qNWAfQw7iFxlMII1HIiSn9yjqWm25kBXrbt+ pQyNAEvaoNBEOH58nOmjMCCpNS4CdtBj8Jzs1WW17gbWcfePYqU3qF4K81gdcE6z jmXpO45Bw+vFAlD5oXryM6Qqm8071h6oGuunw5Wvhqi1hIn1QsPtNEuvY3g0s8cb jv6zx+/mwG8v+CGHfFwh/hJ4TSyixFzN47gdMQfM6NoaurtsF0I= =kdZO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --M4PkxxaQRxeLVWmWdSp3QuYUmushZiKZs--