From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 20:21:24 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E92A106566C for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 20:21:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF08B8FC19 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 20:21:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p1FKLGhC016908; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 13:21:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id p1FKLFvu016905; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 13:21:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 13:21:15 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Chris H In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20110211191232.GA2073@zod.isi.edu> <86ce5acff788efe61ceabdffe9b194fd.HRCIM@webmail.1command.com> <20110214182159.GB47006@zod.isi.edu> <07d729abeedc3b764dccc00cf73b7762.HRCIM@webmail.1command.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 15 Feb 2011 13:21:16 -0700 (MST) Cc: faber@isi.edu, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ATI Radeon LW RV200 Mobility 7500 M7 locks up on X exit X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 20:21:24 -0000 On Tue, 15 Feb 2011, Warren Block wrote: > There are people who have difficulty with hal, and a much larger number who > dislike it. I'd contend that problems with hal are not very widespread, or > there would be a call for the Handbook X11 configuration section to change. Just to add something I should have mentioned in the first message: One reason for problems with hal is the use of AllowEmptyInput "Off". Usually it causes the "sticky mouse pointer" problem, but not always. So many people were using AEI that I decided to write an article about it: http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/aei.html The short version of that: don't use AEI at all. If you want to disable hal device detection in xorg, use AutoAddDevices Off, or build xorg-server without hal support. If anyone has the lockup-on-x-exit problem and is using AEI Off, please change it to AutoAddDevices Off and see if it makes a difference. It may also be due to window manager/desktop environment, or 32- or 64-bit OS. Mine have mostly been xfce4 on 32-bit 8-stable, which may be why I haven't seen it.