From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 9 9:57:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from cluck.stealthchickens.org (cluck.stealthchickens.org [209.192.217.153]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FFEF37B423 for ; Wed, 9 May 2001 09:57:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mij@osdn.com) Received: from guinness.osdn.com (root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cluck.stealthchickens.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f49Gv9254344; Wed, 9 May 2001 12:57:09 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mij@osdn.com) Received: by guinness.osdn.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D9672F7; Wed, 9 May 2001 12:57:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 12:57:04 -0400 From: Jim Mock To: Sue Blake , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Docs Message-ID: <20010509125704.A1288@guinness.osdn.com> Reply-To: mij@osdn.com References: <000201c0d7e5$a357d960$0364a8c0@mbshafer.com> <20010508135032.A936@guinness.osdn.com> <002001c0d7f6$6e495440$0364a8c0@mbshafer.com> <20010508183612.A3045@guinness.osdn.com> <20010509085709.B26123@welearn.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.17i In-Reply-To: <20010509085709.B26123@welearn.com.au>; from sue@welearn.com.au on Wed, May 09, 2001 at 08:57:10AM +1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 09 May 2001 at 08:57:10 +1000, Sue Blake wrote: > On Tue, May 08, 2001 at 06:36:12PM -0400, Jim Mock wrote: > > On Tue, 08 May 2001 at 15:37:36 -0400, Michael Shafer wrote: > > > > > Has the documentation been moved perhaps? > > > > > > > > If you had actually read the 300+ other messages asking the same > > > > question you'd know what was going on. > > > > > > Good master, > > > > > > Even I, lowly grasshopper, knows that presumption is at the root > > > of arrogance and dispair. > > > > The next time you decide to try flaming me, it would probably help > > if you actually kept me on the To: or Cc: lines ;-) > > Jim, you flamed first, and did so in public to a person who thought > his email had been more private. I wasn't going to reply to this, but since it was still bothering me today, I figured I might as well. I didn't intentionally flame him. It's just that when the same question is asked repeatedly by people who never even bothered to check a mirror it tends to grind on my nerves. "I didn't know the documentation was mirrored" is not an acceptable excuse, because the *FIRST PAGE* of the handbook, in the *FIRST PARAGRAPH* says this: ... It may also be downloaded in a variety of formats and compression options from the FreeBSD FTP server or one of the numerous mirror sites. ... Both "FreeBSD FTP server" and "mirror sites" are links. > Both of your emails display lack of insight into the other person's > experience, which still hasn't changed. If you can't see a person's > problems from their perspective, you shouldn't be giving advice, much > less flaming. Go chew your toenails. The point is there shouldn't have been a "problem" at all. "Go chew your toenails." Wow, are you going to tell me to go to my room next? > When we stuff up or change something we are going to see squillions of > people one by one getting snagged as if it has never happened to > anyone before. Your experience is not theirs. It is NOT THEIR FAULT. Who's fault is it? It's certainly not the documentation project's fault -- the text is there... "or one of the numerous mirror sites". It even has a link to it. Imagine that. Apart from attaching a list of mirrors to peoples' foreheads with a staple gun, what more can be done? How is it our fault if they choose not to read what's available? If these people have trouble reading *now*, before they've installed FreeBSD, what the hell are they going to do if they actually manage to install it? > Live with it. Show a little insight and compassion or disappear from > public view. Heh, perhaps I will disappear. I've busted my ass for this project for the past few years, and frankly I'm sick of lazy people, who couldn't be bothered to read what so many of us have spent a great deal of time working on. Perhaps your time would be better spent actually writing documentation and contributing something tangible instead of spending your time defending the lazy. - jim -- - jim mock - O|S|D|N - open source development network - - http://www.freebsdzine.org/ - jim@freebsdzine.org - jim@FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message