From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Apr 16 15:28:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE9681540B for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:28:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) id HAA04928; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 07:25:47 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <3717B87E.FF8B93AD@newsguy.com> Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 07:23:58 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Schwartz Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: swap-related problems References: <000001be8849$8a1c4050$021d85d1@whenever.youwant.to> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David Schwartz wrote: > > > Feel free to submit patches. > > It's not important enough to me. I'm more than happy to simply not > recommend FreeBSD for mission-critical processes on multi-user systems. I > don't have an agenda, so I have no incentive to do so. > > Why is it that discussions of features always degenerate into "I think > that's stupid, but if you want it, then you code it"? Is there something > really wrong with saying, "That's a good idea, but there are no resources to > code it"? > > If it really is a bad idea, what's the point in submitting patches? If it's > a good idea, why not state so, so that perhaps people will work on it. Not all discussions of feature degenerate so. The ones that go on and on and on do, so they are more visible. In this particular case, it comes down to this: the problem is a very complex one. A good solution, if one exists at all, is easily the subject of a Ph.D. thesis. Effective solutions exist. Do not run mission critical processes on machines were users cannot be trusted. Put a cap on maximum resource usage on a per-user basis to prevent mistakes they might make from bringing down the system. Give the system enough resources for it's intended use. People have said all of the above, and then, rather than repeating themselves, just gave up on this thread. Me, on the other hand, had to spent two nights crawling the web after a few things, leaving me a lot of free time between page downloads. I decided to spend this time explaining why the problem is so complex, why the effective solutions are effective, why the solutions proposed didn't solve anything. When you said you didn't want a simple solution, you wanted a good one, there were few ways I could have answered. That there are no resources it's obvious. It is a volunteer effort. The resources we have are the volunteers, who do what *they* want or what *they* need, not what other people want or need. I shouldn't have to tell you that. I could leave it at that, but I thought that would sound like saying it was a useless idea. Since it is not a useless idea, I decided to express it so: send the patches. -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org "Well, Windows works, using a loose definition of 'works'..." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message