From owner-freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Fri Dec 15 12:03:07 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5591DEA47FE for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2017 12:03:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gurenchan@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-x230.google.com (mail-it0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 16D9D7388F for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2017 12:03:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gurenchan@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-x230.google.com with SMTP id m11so29296103iti.1 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2017 04:03:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=RPtez0EdSNDdRj693RCBOCRrhyegBkkTFTQluZJBtqY=; b=gmZzMT9lWxLnizi6rzgsgS7bt5C3H5d1y3fIV9mlW5yoGF9M8FzLkLKUuiP9mlpptV D7ObHpWQbQPvgJOXGFzOy+XTL62FH9SB5/wwq3Llt0AZJmSYNqtuEsy6yhQnI85mPoHy CXe4bgtexZdbUryJ1Wlu5/su1CVge4LbW62QB3gDEtJ2x+2B01hVMIbKWq7h0kih50za nxDfiB/41+rEE6VqVoYYv2jTUNdzMsULvXjDcWkMSj5aq710BabpaxA8S/ut5D5kg+Nr GBiXkFfW0uE0Z4GnLNxKFncmKqjrZeO2RjI6jPFZ1tFGuMxO6ffJUsSSQnMULiculbvH CcRw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=RPtez0EdSNDdRj693RCBOCRrhyegBkkTFTQluZJBtqY=; b=WAxvqWUxBrG1eqNxnu8xsecsUIZWjk/t+I/XGoep1WgO716h/+g6ZOqpH4oA7RXS5M XiIWhlv9LA2iKXUS+zi0nk8ZXfI7Qmk+ih1eKonnrfh/yWGiLVJs9pJs1og1W2SGv+jv 601ZGYWJFViDkTXgb3XNE0Avd95mUEGJusJJu+EjWDzxsDyv5KJuSBFUgkQPrLlO5JPW UWstOoV7Ogr+G8bR6FWxpSD9v934E58htru1tGEi+KziUCjgEuUvAwkjS7g5JiBxbdu7 ySUObGxZSpcedcr0lH3oo7oONb4D13wQ+HkperY9COgfy4MvDHFTrWv2cEsUmJMEyzls RTvg== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mJtU2rmAaTy2eudZ187n6DWYw+kct7P7mjssZl9/rwzxaLTfqEB oYNlsBFGarau7XI98XyEZKzwHEOsf/6Vg38aze4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBouOI/VzNTuf6ahlWrLtA9uhlK1tp6Eb5iJIxropH+bg/OIHT5tVrFGNyr11ghB5BIrhY3KyXHrXcArWUajal8Q= X-Received: by 10.107.128.152 with SMTP id k24mr11673970ioi.184.1513339386228; Fri, 15 Dec 2017 04:03:06 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.107.134.9 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Dec 2017 04:03:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4c3ae20e-b6dd-d5db-0b93-2e1225daa658@selasky.org> References: <4c3ae20e-b6dd-d5db-0b93-2e1225daa658@selasky.org> From: blubee blubeeme Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 20:03:05 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD amd64 GENERIC kernel To: Hans Petter Selasky Cc: "freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 12:03:07 -0000 On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 7:33 PM, Hans Petter Selasky wrote: > Hi, > > On 12/15/17 11:34, blubee blubeeme wrote: > >> I feel like you're talking at something and not understanding my >> objectives. >> It's pretty simple: replace ALSA w/ upstreamed OSS. >> > > I think you need to dig a bit more into the code itself to see what are > the actual differences before I can say if your idea is good or not. I'm > sorry, but I don't know opensound's code well enough to comment further on > this. > > FreeBSD's implementation of OSS is missing a few features that hamstring >> the development on FreeBSD. >> > > What are those features exactly? Why can't they be implemented in > FreeBSD's sound stack? > > Also, why would FreeBSD want to maintain it's own implementation of an open >> source project? >> > I believe this has been discussed before and maybe there are more threads > around which will answer your question. > > https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/163/ > > >> What part of oss source: >> https://sourceforge.net/p/opensound/git/ci/master/tree/ >> is a binary blob? >> >> > OK, I see the source code is available and that "audio/oss" is compiled > from source. > > --HPS > This is exactly what I am talking about. FreeBSD OSS implementation is better, let's update it: https://wiki.freebsd.org/RyanBeasley That was created in 2008 and never touched a day after, why? Hey guys why don't you use oss in base, because our oss is better and we make it match our kernel. Okay great, can we update it, nope we don't have the manpower to do that. Did "RyanBeasley (last edited 2008-06-17 21:37:27 by localhost)" ever come back and did any work other than create a wiki page? So, when will FreeBSD OSS fork get in sync with what's available online right now? What's with the circular logic here?