From owner-freebsd-java Fri Jun 9 1:33:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from hermes.research.kpn.com (hermes.research.kpn.com [139.63.192.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B544237B66B; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 01:33:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from K.J.Koster@kpn.com) Received: from l04.research.kpn.com (l04.research.kpn.com [139.63.192.204]) by research.kpn.com (PMDF V5.2-31 #42699) with ESMTP id <01JQE9MZQHKW0001N5@research.kpn.com>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 10:33:42 +0200 Received: by l04.research.kpn.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 09 Jun 2000 10:33:41 +0100 Content-return: allowed Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 10:33:33 +0100 From: "Koster, K.J." Subject: RE: To: 'FreeBSD Java mailing list' Cc: "'jkh@FreeBSD.org'" Message-id: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E4522026D7636@l04.research.kpn.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello people, I've cc'd this to Jordan, because I believe he's closest to BSDi. First off, I'm really happy that we've gotten this far with Sun. I'm happy that BSDi is lending a hand. Someone on the freebsd-alpha list expressed concern about the position of the "other BSDs" (for want of a better word). I'm a little curious how they fit in. The way I see it, once we've got Sun's backing it will be easier for them to get it too. Sun will have gone through the motions several times by then, and may even have found that it's not all that painful. Also, they will have a BSD specific patchset to work from, instead of a Solaris/Linux one. On the other hand, perhaps we are in the position now to save them a lot of frustration. There's interest in Java on the other BSDs too, of course. Personally, I think it would be good for the quality of the patches if we have a more homogenous OS group that they work on. Perhaps we could negotiate a more open BSD license for the JDK, allowing other BSDs in too, maybe based on the fact that we share a common ancestry. This will save Sun quite some time in the future, because they don't have to do the dance for each BSD individually. Another pro is that there would be a single entity controlling the BSD ports, and possibly a single code base too. This could reduce fragmentation over the BSDs, and it would improve the quality of each individual port. Kees Jan PS. "really happy" does not quite cover it. ============================================== Everyone is responsible for his own actions, and (people tend to forget this) the effect they have on others. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message