From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 7 08:44:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 181AD1065670 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 08:44:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-ee0-f54.google.com (mail-ee0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 985438FC0A for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 08:44:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eeke49 with SMTP id e49so133233eek.13 for ; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 01:44:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-gm-message-state; bh=wTljTUcoHaU8u1egzptn4S0hJqSNLEtKRsUsTW87CR8=; b=i4xXx3VBesyzyscZANBMFCDtTYBKLoBD27SO4gIj006QpctjtbHscK900iFCKjhnyL 5b4zSYj8DD49M/Kdnhs8+wYLsf6kjss52csg9tw2cty7/WRmsxR+Eg2ZGshC3rI2QMdw N0lQkF6npMXLh0TbxVjojtPuHHvRSt9x6UJpkLxIUj9eHja43OqvIuqAEYXtp8viZyu8 9H07H4RGlzdgRDm2SN3+KajsuavzAtbnwBrevemzD27sWdH0RbvRo1Gycl7oHJbo1sbE uUmLetAi03a+CUKBZpFoY6tnEG3MZ68VQD5qUw7iH5FOcuACblsFHfUSreFAIlaDEbBx lQvA== Received: by 10.14.37.76 with SMTP id x52mr766978eea.102.1339058681405; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 01:44:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfleuriot-at-hi-media.com ([83.167.62.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z5sm8333757eem.3.2012.06.07.01.44.40 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 07 Jun 2012 01:44:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FD069F7.2030407@my.gd> Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2012 10:44:39 +0200 From: Damien Fleuriot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20120605201900.GB60388@hs1.VERBENA> <20120605172046.2571e964@scorpio> <03ad948ef0fdab7fabfe119fdef00a0a@mail.magehandbook.com> <20120606150500.1345c639@scorpio> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnkwf54XylP6xscsQcz7rqjbUGAFTz5EgfbE0L7HcTCSTGry3/FmNNKFfCdINVtxCGH3KW4 Subject: Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2012 08:44:43 -0000 On 6/6/12 9:55 PM, Robert Simmons wrote: > On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Jerry wrote: >> On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 12:49:53 -0400 >> Daniel Staal articulated: >> >>> On 2012-06-05 17:20, Jerry wrote: >>> >>>> The question that I have not seen answered in this thread is what >>>> FreeBSD intents to do. From what I have seen, most FreeBSD users do >>>> not >>>> use the latest versions of most hardware, so it may be a while before >>>> its user base is even effected. >>> >>> I don't believe at this point FreeBSD has any intent one way or >>> another, really. It's not an immediate problem for any platform >>> supported by the FreeBSD project, at least for a technically-inclined >>> user who's willing to check out their BIOS. (Even if they are using >>> the latest hardware, the x86-derived platforms aren't going to require >>> this code signing yet.) So it'll probably be a 'wait and see if it's >>> something the FreeBSD community needs a solution for' at this point. >>> But this is just my impression. >> >> I totally agree with you. Unfortunately that speaks to the sad state of >> affairs that FreeBSD appears to be in. When it comes to supporting the >> latest technologies, it tends to be behind the curve when compared to >> other operating systems. Wireless networking and USB support are only a >> few examples. >> >> I don't know of any user personally who purchased a new PC and then >> threw FreeBSD on it. Most users that I have come into contact with use >> 2+ year old units that have been replaced by shiny new Windows units. I >> don't see that changing anytime soon. > > I would have to disagree with you there. I know of quite a few users > who happen to run one of the world's largest content distribution > networks (accounting for about one third of the internet's traffic; up > there with pornography). They purchased more than just a handful of > new computers and threw FreeBSD on them: > > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2012-June/068129.html You're talking about servers here, I think Jerry was speaking more generally, about a lambda user buying a computer and *definitely* not installing FBSD (or anything else) on it. The typical users just wants to buy "internet and emails" without a care in the world about the OS.