From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Mon Aug 27 03:47:26 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A618108B27B; Mon, 27 Aug 2018 03:47:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michelle@sorbs.net) Received: from hades.sorbs.net (hades.sorbs.net [72.12.213.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E9557C4D3; Mon, 27 Aug 2018 03:47:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michelle@sorbs.net) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII; format=flowed Received: from isux.com (gate.mhix.org [203.206.128.220]) by hades.sorbs.net (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.29.0 64bit (built Jul 9 2013)) with ESMTPSA id <0PE300F8JMX9U100@hades.sorbs.net>; Sun, 26 Aug 2018 19:58:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: drm / drm2 removal in 12 To: blubee blubeeme , Mark Linimon Cc: mmacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Ali Abdallah , FreeBSD current References: <20180824215302.ivfna55jtrtc5trg@freebsd480.station> <20180825020424.GA16497@lonesome.com> From: Michelle Sullivan Message-id: <8f2d753e-3de3-5a2a-3298-9e1906c0f12e@sorbs.net> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 12:47:03 +1000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:51.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/51.0 SeaMonkey/2.48 In-reply-to: X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 03:47:26 -0000 blubee blubeeme wrote: > On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 10:04 AM Mark Linimon wrote: > >> On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 07:07:24AM +0800, blubee blubeeme wrote: >>> Are these guys insane and please avoid the nonsense about you're doing >> this >>> in your spare time. >> Let us know how whatever OS you wind up using instead works for you. >> I suggest you look for one that will put up with your constant harangues. >> >> There are very few people on the mailing lists as nasty and rude as >> yourself. It is tiresome, demotivating, and childish. Please go >> elsewhere. >> >> mcl >> > Your opinion has been noted but this issue isn't about me. > > It's about the Graphics devs coding themselves into a corner and looking > for an easy button so they can continue to feel good about their toy. > > There's a reason the changes they tried to force down the FreeBSD source > tree was reverted; It does not meet any standards of quality. > > I have no inside knowledge other than my ability to think clearly and it's > obvious that The FreeBSD team wanted to hint at them that their code > doesn't pass the sniff test. > > Instead of being whiny brats improve your code and have it work without > breaking compatibility with what has been working for quite a long time. > > Here's the play by play; > You guys push this mess contaminating the FreeBSD source tree, some long > standing user tries to update their machines and it blows up; > 1) Most will just leave > 2) Some will complain > 2a) You guys will say; Read UPDATING..... bleh bleh blen > They'll get aggravated, thereby aggravating people who came to this > platform for Stability. > > Users who actually use FreeBSD to get things done do not time to trawl > these mailing lists, they have real world problems to solve with real world > constraints. > > There are OS with kqueue and all those things it's called Linux; You can go > there and play w/ that stuff to your hearts content. > > If you want your code to get merged, make sure it follows the guidelines > and not break the systems for people who are already using the platform. > > Now, I understand hearing harsh criticism about your work might hurt your > feelings and all but here's the antidote; > work harder, > improve your code, > try again when your code quality improves. > > You guys cannot expect people to accept these kludges in their systems that > they run everyday. > > It's an open source project, you can't get mad because your code isn't > accepted, it's your jobs and engineers to do better not expect users to > jump through hoops to accommodate your subpar attempts at coding. > > This isn't about me, it's about the quality of code that you guys are > trying to submit. > Not much to disagree with what you say here.. because that's why I no longer work on using FreeBSD instead having created my own fork which is something I can call stable, that can be patched for security issues and something that is usable across my environment. The one thing who you should be aware of and what I do disagree with you over is who you are speaking to ML is a long standing 'old hat' of FreeBSD and someone I respect and I know would not be putting 'kludges' and substandard code into the trees... Direct your anger elsewhere, whilst still making valid points. Regards, Michelle -- Michelle Sullivan http://www.mhix.org/