From nobody Tue May 27 08:32:20 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4b65X23fcZz5x73F for ; Tue, 27 May 2025 08:34:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grembo@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [96.47.72.83]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R11" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4b65X208CPz4BFs; Tue, 27 May 2025 08:34:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grembo@freebsd.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1748334850; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=DDccjGDQDfhQb8/KhGboJL3fbhrog7A2FWhLxyMC13g=; b=o7Z3d75qV54lcdhecTZhTz2kpq7ONOH3GLDEqTbGDoFLyZdijgqPsf1NuEwh5/69JUCCrt SneFKEpw47NNOqbk8K43OElm7hLNqlIXWRiJ73QMC6w7ssO6HAoLg0ki6v/KNQZ9hgUYot WEpNxZlN11mudmqCr69hwwtdvT4lUglp3P5uSgMCzJFMaX9BJ3RupOsW4+WJpdd328o6J2 mjFTKe0QP08vM5L0ZDtutb4OGBCH1bbRvrNxfKkhI937wxGdkIgAm0GxxalYkPfB9P/CFc YXCob8ie3w+KcznJzc4qb8oHblfVDQcw5Gef1qEdiaD+NyXVYmhNOZm5mmKw0w== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1748334850; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=EXFO46b5h+5Yd28cRPFW0mqaYoruw+8q2Z+jONMaMEXJzYIssTfSrYpR8SyYurvt0IxTdd C0OjT80+wBL4Hc5cg05cmOaDq9WWLg4/lUAZC2Er4mAVv2YCylrjdIyVpsjTBQA4NHxuqv jPgfXfRocZqsVPW65E2v8ekpPOpjjGp4vEmHLLEQhtfqCkmQYAVt0ays53WPY0xBP+wChO qQosDnsJ860OicDrF91K9S28nwm/pMVpodlMy3/ZQmCPnvjgiUyx1TdZGMwopBfMIOEynV 3DI2EpPUonyyIYWBQ51ljLd/RzPi4Lu+kANcCX4D+6jZGgHRGpSTPXWfyMfvyQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1748334850; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=DDccjGDQDfhQb8/KhGboJL3fbhrog7A2FWhLxyMC13g=; b=Wtm01X6FSLPfOpANEbYmhHd6FsPYEJsodUh51rC9HQVm6DEo/+EsR3ZeJPI+//66nWYpLu KHEgflKpM9K2cTZK0bMzgLr8UdoBXYZOgZRqjx2P366SmKIDrUVjf5Jhqmz5+4fc4RnhoU X0/IVZso8loYh65Ilspc0Dbh7met96ffcPv29MkFgat0FmdstHhL4MoeAH2QvAv4q5aGKE ni5j987m/0mi1BOggbdzLSz6gqtIyOzikLrvhpQLzLIKQPxdkqHI0mW3uvYPWEjcXzPpGv KEAn4jPCRbmWnpyJFpu3nV4lAT2QwzkEBuEAQNuTY22GOCytKOMzdzK4y7h83A== Received: from mail.evolve.de (mail.evolve.de [213.239.217.29]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA512) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: grembo/mail) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4b65X13kyNz80P; Tue, 27 May 2025 08:34:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grembo@freebsd.org) Received: by mail.evolve.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 4655e7bd (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Tue, 27 May 2025 08:34:08 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 27 May 2025 10:32:20 +0200 From: Michael Gmelin To: Dennis Clarke Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: With poudriere how does one create a jail of a slightly older RELEASE ? Message-ID: <20250527103220.1662f029.grembo@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: References: <20250526151416.68ff7c09.grembo@freebsd.org> X-Face: $wrgCtfdVw_H9WAY?S&9+/F"!41z'L$uo*WzT8miX?kZ~W~Lr5W7v?j0Sde\mwB&/ypo^}> +a'4xMc^^KroE~+v^&^#[B">soBo1y6(TW6#UZiC]o>C6`ej+i Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEWJBwe5BQDl LASZU0/LTEWEfHbyj0Txi32+sKrp1Mv944X8/fm1rS+cAAAACXBIWXMAAAsTAAAL EwEAmpwYAAAAB3RJTUUH3wESCxwC7OBhbgAAACFpVFh0Q29tbWVudAAAAAAAQ3Jl YXRlZCB3aXRoIFRoZSBHSU1QbbCXAAAAAghJREFUOMu11DFvEzEUAGCfEhBVFzuq AKkLd0O6VrIQsLXVSZXoWE5N1K3DobBBA9fQpRWc8OkWouaIjedWKiyREOKs+3PY fvalCNjgLVHeF7/3bMtBzV8C/VsQ8tecEgCcDgrzjekwKZ7TwsJZd/ywEKwwP+ZM 8P3drTsAwWn2mpWuDDuYiK1bFs6De0KUUFw0tWxm+D4AIhuuvZqtyWYeO7jQ4Aea 7jUqI+ixhQoHex4WshEvSXdood7stlv4oSuFOC4tqGcr0NjEqXgV4mMJO38nld4+ xKNxRDon7khyKVqY7YR4d+Cg0OMrkWXZOM7YDkEfKiilCn1qYv4mighZiynuHHOA Wq9QJq+BIES7lMFUtcikMnkDGHUoncA+uHgrP0ctIEqfwLHzeSo+eUA66AqzwN6n 2ZHJhw6Qh/PoyC/QENyEyC/AyNjq74Bs+3UH0xYwzDUC4B97HgLocg1QLYgDDO1v f3UX9Y307Ew4AHh67YAFFsxEpkXwpXY3eIgMhAAE3R19L919nNnuD2wlPcDE3UeT L2ytEICQib9BXgS2fU8PrD82ToYO1OEmMSnYTjSqSv9wdC0tPYC+rQRQD9ESnldF CyqfmiYW+tlALt8gH2xrMdC/youbjzPXEun+/ReXsMCDyve3dZc09fn2Oas8oXGc Jj6/fOeK5UmSMPmf/jL+GD8BEj0k/Fn6IO4AAAAASUVORK5CYII= List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mon, 26 May 2025 10:14:12 -0400 Dennis Clarke wrote: > On 5/26/25 09:14, Michael Gmelin wrote: > > > > > > On Mon, 26 May 2025 08:25:50 -0400 > > Dennis Clarke wrote: > > > > >> I have no idea what "MFC" is supposed to mean. > >> I guess it is a code change that happened somewhere. > >> > > > > Merge From Current = Merging or back-porting a base commit from > > CURRENT (main/base/HEAD) to another, usually lower, FreeBSD version > > branch. > > > > https://wiki.freebsd.org/Glossary#MFC_--_Merge_From_Current > > > > -m > > > Thank you for providing detailed feedback on your experience, it's valuable (at least to me). > So many places with special terms and stuff buried somewhere. In the > last week or so I have discovered https://archive.freebsd.org/ To be fair, this is linked on FreeBSD.org within two clicks: 1. Big "Download FreeBSD" Button 2. Archives: "Get Past Releases" at the bottom of the page. I found it by using a search engine though ("where to download old freebsd releases"). > and now > there is https://wiki.freebsd.org/ The Wiki is linked from the "Developers" menu on FreeBSD.org. This is hardly needed by users, I simply linked to it out of convenience (as this was what I found in a quick search when trying to help you). The FreeBSD Handbook also contains a glossary (That's on FreeBSD.org: Documentation -> Handbook -> Enter "glossary" at the search box): https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/glossary/#mfc-glossary Alternatively, one can use a search engine "what does mfc mean in the context of freebsd", in my case the first three hits were useful (including the Wikipedia page on FreeBSD). I myself didn't know what MFC really means for at least the first decade of using FreeBSD ^_^ > which I have not ever seen once in > five or six years of trying to use FreeBSD. Maybe a link or something > can be put on the "About" page? https://www.freebsd.org/about/ I agree, having one page where all these resources not just listed, but also explained would be helpful. Like "How to Contribute" or "Important Project Resources". All resources should link back to that page to ease navigation. > > Even more crazy is the way in which FreeBSD is changed and/or fixed. > There are bug reports of course but it seems everything really happens > in a thing called a Phabricator. Phabricator - or to be more precise, its Differential component - is used for code review (it used to be a very famous tool and lives on as Phorge.it). Often reviews are linked to bugs though. > > It really is a great UNIX implementation and runs like a charm as a > server but the skills required are all over the place and no where and > everywhere and yeah ... thanks to this mail list I can at least keep a > few things running. To quote a really cool guy that is an expert at > such things "If it breaks you can keep both pieces." The mailing list is a great place for getting help, but it's also a good idea to consult man pages, the FreeBSD handbook, and other publicly available resources. Cheers Michael -- Michael Gmelin