From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 6 21:16:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5362716A402 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 21:16:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C567213C43E for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 21:16:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from kobe.laptop (dialup137.ach.sch.gr [81.186.70.137]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id l36LEpmm016442 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 7 Apr 2007 00:15:38 +0300 Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l36LEPiU001513; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 00:14:41 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id l36L57FX001097; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 00:05:07 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 00:05:07 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Nikolas Britton Message-ID: <20070406210506.GA1078@kobe.laptop> References: <20070405103708.GC842@turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <20070405180711.GA60539@owl.midgard.homeip.net> <20070406193125.GA27879@kobe.laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-3.686, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.51, BAYES_00 -2.60, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE 0.20) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr X-Spam-Status: No Cc: Peter Jeremy , FreeBSD Current Subject: Re: Do we need this junk? X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 21:16:43 -0000 On 2007-04-06 15:06, Nikolas Britton wrote: >On 4/6/07, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: >>> Data source: http://www.bsdstats.org/cpus.php >> >> A lot of people are running "bsdstats" ports, and we should appreciate >> the work people have put into making http://www.bsdstats.org/ happen. >> >> I'm not sure I agree with the use you are putting these statistics into, >> whatever. >> >> The original goal of the statistics pages was to serve as a basis of >> version-related and hardware-related information, which can be used to >> convince hardware vendors to support *MORE* FreeBSD systems. >> >> Now you are arguing that because more modern CPUs and hardware are, >> well, "more modern", we should start dropping support for some of the >> systems listed there -- effectivelly reducing the number of systems >> supported by FreeBSD. > > I only suggested dropping PC98. Why? If you look at the PC98 page* it > hasn't been updated since FreeBSD 4.11 and bsdstats.org shows zero > people using it... PC98 is a dead platform like Alpha and Alpha > support is being dropped for FreeBSD 7, but if you look at > bsdstats.org the Alpha platform has more users than sparc, powerpc and > pc98 combined!! So, what does this tell us? Are the sparc users less in number because we have excellent sparc64 support, but there's no interest? Because we don't have good sparc64 support? Or because the existing sparc64 users don't use the bsdstats ports? I'm not sure what you're trying to prove by throwing numbers from bsdstats around.