From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 20 20:35:22 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 276C710656AC; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 20:35:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bakul@bitblocks.com) Received: from mail.bitblocks.com (bitblocks.com [64.142.15.60]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 042B68FC17; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 20:35:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bitblocks.com (localhost.bitblocks.com [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bitblocks.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A48235B91; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 13:35:19 -0700 (PDT) To: "C. P. Ghost" In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 19 Aug 2010 20:35:59 +0200." References: <4C6505A4.9060203@FreeBSD.org> <4C650B75.3020800@FreeBSD.org> <4C651192.9020403@FreeBSD.org> <4C673898.2080609@FreeBSD.org> <20100818134341.GA88861@johnny.reilly.home> <20100819172227.1AAE25B89@mail.bitblocks.com> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 13:35:19 -0700 From: Bakul Shah Message-Id: <20100820203519.A48235B91@mail.bitblocks.com> Cc: Doug Barton , Ivan Voras , Andrew Reilly , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Interpreted language(s) in the base X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 20:35:22 -0000 On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 20:35:59 +0200 "C. P. Ghost" wrote: > > But seriously, the point isn't so much which specific interpreter > we use (if we go down this road), it's about libraries: most > sysadmin tasks require some basic networking and I/O, > and a FFI to seamlessly call out C functions from .so libs. > > And, of course, instead of writing 1,001 sysadmin scripts > with endless code duplication and reinventing of the wheel, > common sysadmin tasks should also be made into reusable > functions, grouped into modules. Exactly what I had in mind. > > And we don't have to argue about which language. I would > > suggest setting up a wiki page to list all the system scripts > > people want to write and get cracking in your favorite > > language! May the best effort win :-) At the very least we > > will get some useful tools out of this effort. =A0I will > > certainly help out with Scheme. > > Funny idea. I only hope we won't end up with a typical > post-dot-com young developer distribution, a la: > > 60% PHP (yuck!) > 25% Java (and XML-everywhere) > 15% ${OTHERS} > > ;-) If that is what people want then so be it :-) But I think only "little" languages like forth, lua, sh, rc, es & scheme have small footprint interpreters that start up fast and are reasonably efficient. Anyway, system programming in Scheme is what interests me and something I already tinker with on and off. If anyone is interested (in helping or just playing with it), let me know privately (but *not* on this mailing list).