From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 15 23:46:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ABEF16A46D for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 23:46:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from boris@brooknet.com.au) Received: from pecan.exetel.com.au (pecan.exetel.com.au [220.233.0.17]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CFDE13C487 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 23:46:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from boris@brooknet.com.au) Received: from 28.201.233.220.exetel.com.au ([220.233.201.28] helo=[192.168.100.148]) by pecan.exetel.com.au with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HzKZS-0008Ea-PV; Sat, 16 Jun 2007 08:47:11 +1000 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Sam Lawrance Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 08:46:54 +1000 To: Garrett Cooper X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: AMD deciding _now_ what to do about Linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 23:46:26 -0000 On 16/06/2007, at 6:07 AM, youshi10@u.washington.edu wrote: > On Fri, 15 Jun 2007, Ali Mashtizadeh wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Sun's pushing ATI/AMD to provide good drivers for Solaris, so it =20 >> means they >> will have to work on the portability issue of their drivers. It is =20= >> probably >> the best time to influence AMD's decision since they are going to =20 >> do what >> Sun tells them. Nvidia has an easier time porting their drivers =20 >> since the >> core of the driver is the same across all platforms AFAIK. =20 >> Hopefully, they >> will realize the best stratedgy is to open source their drivers, =20 >> which there >> has been some hints about it recently. >> >> --=20 >> Ali Mashtizadeh >> =D8=B9=D9=84=DB=8C =D9=85=D8=B4=D8=AA=DB=8C =D8=B2=D8=A7=D8=AF=D9=87 >> >> On 6/15/07, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 02:03:39PM -0400, Ali Mashtizadeh wrote: >>> > Hey everyone, >>> > >>> > This email went out on Xorg I thought it might be useful for =20 >>> all of us >>> stuck >>> > with ATI cards. We should all show our interest in AMD helping =20= >>> out the >>> BSD >>> > community as well! Just like Nvidia has been doing! >>> >>> "Linux strategy" -- gotta love the use of the word "strategy", like >>> they're playing chess or Risk or Daisenryaku. Yes, because =20 >>> supporting >>> an operating system involves "strategy". >>> >>> Not to sound rude, but I wouldn't hold your breath over the =20 >>> statement. >>> Yes, *absolutely* mail them and show support for the BSDs, and =20 >>> tell them >>> you'll be happy to beta test whatever they put out (as long as =20 >>> they have >>> a good feedback method for reporting those bugs; not some defunct =20= >>> HTML >>> form web page that sends submissions to /dev/null). >>> >>> I believe AMD/ATI cares about providing a good driver base (for =20 >>> Linux >>> and probably the BSDs), but no matter how many customers mail =20 >>> them, the >>> reality of the situation is a disappointing one: managers and =20 >>> executives >>> of sorts are who have say over all of this, who decide all of =20 >>> this, and >>> who ultimately make the statements on all of this. As a Texan co-=20= >>> worker >>> of mine says, "too many chiefs, not enough indians". nVidia has the >>> same "problem", for what it's worth. >>> >>> -- >>> | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at =20 >>> parodius.com | >>> | Parodius Networking http://=20 >>> www.parodius.com/ | >>> | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, =20 >>> CA, USA | >>> | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: =20 >>> 4BD6C0CB | > > 1. This shouldn't have been sent to the hackers@ list, because it's =20= > more of a discussion than a technical topic. > 2. Please top post. > > Disregarding those 2 comments, I have a few thoughts: I'd certainly disregard that second point. :-)