From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Feb 26 14:58: 6 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from dolphin.idleplay.net (ip68-14-62-49.no.no.cox.net [68.14.62.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DABBA37B400 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 14:57:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (from conrads@localhost) by dolphin.idleplay.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g1QMvSl03074; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 16:57:28 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from conrads) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.2 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200202261646.LAA01711@alpha.vaxxine.com> Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 16:57:28 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: conrads@cox.net Organization: A Rag-Tag Band of Drug-crazed Hippies From: Conrad Sabatier To: "Paul C. Boyle" Subject: Re: 4.5 ISO Not consitant. I must press the issue. Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 26-Feb-2002 Paul C. Boyle wrote: [ Re: problems after a fresh install] > My problem starts with no KDE internet utilities for dialup on the disks. > I want to install and get up and running quickly not have to find and > learn an new dialup tool. Man was I pissed. OK, so some users could use a little hand-holding in configuring dialup connections, I'll grant you. But to install something as huge as KDE just for this purpose simply isn't practical. I do think that perhaps sysinstall should include a dialup PPP configuration section, similar to that for configuring a NIC. The problem is that PPP configurations vary so wildly from one ISP to the next, that to support such a thing in sysinstall would no doubt increase its size considerably, thereby forcing other things to be squeezed off of the primary install disc. As for your comments re: consistency, I feel that FreeBSD, in the nearly six years I've been using it, has been quite consistent in all respects from one release to the next. Whenever any major changes have been introduced (i.e., those requiring a "heads up" to users), they've always been very carefully and thoughtfully integrated into the system, and any actions required on the part of the user have been well-documented, as well as discussed in the mailing lists. From my observations from reading the mailing lists and newsgroups for the last several years, I think it's fair to say that the majority of newbie questions/problems could be quite easily resolved if people would take the time to RTFM before installing. There's a tendency amongst newcomers to simply plunge headlong into these deep and fairly treacherous (to the uninformed) waters with little or no preparation. Even a hand-holding install/config tool can only do so much if the user has no clue at all as to what's going on. -- Conrad Sabatier Do not try to solve all life's problems at once -- learn to dread each day as it comes. -- Donald Kaul To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message