From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 9 01:28:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hackers@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBE4816A400 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 01:28:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@deadcafe.de) Received: from deadcafe.de (deadcafe.de [81.169.162.144]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ABA143D48 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 01:28:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@deadcafe.de) Received: from dialin.t-online.de (p54A5D240.dip.t-dialin.net [84.165.210.64]) by deadcafe.de (8.13.6/8.13.4/Rock) with ESMTP id k391S0iv066489 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 03:28:01 +0200 (CEST) X-Envelope-To: Received: from [172.23.7.254] (doom.rock.net [172.23.7.254]) by dialin.t-online.de (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.4/Rock) with ESMTP id k391RgpF058260 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 03:27:42 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4438630E.4090300@deadcafe.de> Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 03:27:42 +0200 From: Daniel Rock User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@freebsd.org References: <20060407225742.GA21619@odin.ac.hmc.edu> <20060407230247.GH16344@submonkey.net> <4437C9F6.5000008@samsco.org> <20060408233740.GA84768@submonkey.net> <44384A55.2010103@samsco.org> In-Reply-To: <44384A55.2010103@samsco.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=5.5 tests=FORGED_RCVD_HELO autolearn=disabled version=3.0.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on deadcafe.de X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 02:08:59 +0000 Cc: Subject: Re: Using any network interface whatsoever X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 01:28:03 -0000 Scott Long schrieb: > Ceri Davies wrote: > >> On Sat, Apr 08, 2006 at 08:34:30AM -0600, Scott Long wrote: > >>> Well, the real question is why we force the details of driver names >>> onto users. Network and storage drivers are especially guilty of >>> this, but tty devices also are annoying. How do you know which manual page to read for driver specifics if they are all named eth0, eth1, ... With the current naming scheme you know when to read the man page for em(4), fxp(4), nve(4), ... > I'll say again, how does having em0, em1, em2, and em3 help me know what > is going on with each of those interfaces? FreeBSD doesn't support persistent instance numbering, unlike Solaris. If you unplug device em0 in FreeBSD the remaining interfaces get renamed em0, em1, em2 - which is a bad thing. If you unplug e1000g0 in Solaris the remaining interfaces will still be named e1000g1, e1000g2, e1000g3. So I doubt that the overwriting of an Ingres database really happened in Solaris, like some other poster described - unless the administrator fiddled with /etc/path_to_inst by hand (you are free to shoot in your own foot). Daniel