From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Dec 31 0:44: 6 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 430A537B401 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 00:44:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net (puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.139]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E10EF43ED1 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 00:44:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0049.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.192.49] helo=mindspring.com) by puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18TI07-00010y-00; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 00:43:52 -0800 Message-ID: <3E115873.60BB5F34@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 00:42:27 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Hayes Cc: dever@getaclue.net, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Bystander shot by a spam filter. References: <200212310828.gBV8Sn179280@hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: b1a02af9316fbb217a47c185c03b154d40683398e744b8a4f6e2e058a3c7c5548c2d3969c94af90d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dave Hayes wrote: > Terry Lambert writes: > > Dave Hayes wrote: > >> Terry Lambert writes: > >> > Why? > >> > Even unlimited freedom of speech is not a guarantee of an audience. > >> > >> This is the argument used by people who wish to fool people into > >> thinking there is no freedom of speech. I will refrain from addressing > >> it here. > > > > Again, why? I believe in the (acknowledged by the 4th ammendment) > > right to free speech. That doesn't mean that people have to listen > > to me, or to take what I say to heart, as if it were gospel. The > > right of someone to proselytize me stops at the point I slam my > > front door in their face. > > You are not allowed to place your hand on their jaw and close > their mouth. But I'm allowed to slam the door, right? > > Your argument is that I should not be allowed to close my own door, > > or to buy locks for that door from a third party. > > Nope, not even close. A blacklist is a just lock that you obtain from a third party, which will not open for people you don't want coming through your door. > > Understanding is not a guarantee of acceptance or acquiesence. > > You presume I want either state. I don't. All I "want" is for people > to let others make their own decisions. The arguments you present lead > to exactly the opposite state. Hardly; people can make their own decisions as much as they want, particularly when it comes to blacklisting of SPAM'mers by their ISP: discontinue their ISP service, and obtain service from some other ISP. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message