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From: John Polstra <jdp@polstra.com>
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On 13-Aug-2004 Roman Kurakin wrote:
> John Polstra wrote:
>>That's pretty much correct.  IFF_UP is an administrative control
>>that expresses the desired state of the interface.  The driver never
>>changes IFF_UP.  IFF_RUNNING is the driver's idea of the _actual_
>>  
>>
> PPP state machine can remove IFF_UP. For example if connection is not 
> persistent and link
> was broken for any reason.

I call that a bug.

John