From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 21 23:31:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from krell.webweaver.net (krell.webweaver.net [64.124.90.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E744937B403 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2001 23:31:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nicole@unixgirl.com) Received: from xwin.nmhtech.com (xwin.daemontech.net [208.135.51.161]) by krell.webweaver.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 717E320F22; Tue, 21 Aug 2001 23:31:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 23:31:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Hodge Podge To: Marc Rassbach Subject: Re: 3ware stuff not ready for heavy duty useage-followup Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, Michael VanLoon , Darryl Okahata Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 22-Aug-01 Marc Rassbach wrote: > > > On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Darryl Okahata wrote: > Let me tell you all a story about a SCSI III RAID array..... > >> Your points seem to be: > > And this is why I decided to submit my 2 coppers. > It was a kingston 9 bay tower (black). Mylex card. Quantum Drives. > Called Tech Data (supplier) Mylex and Quantum. All agreed the $30K of > parts would work together. >> "Vendors sell it this way. It must be good." > Yes... YET Kingston sold a SCSI III box with ONE SCSI cable 2.5 meters > long. (Hint: 6 per 1.5 meter chain is pushing a non LVD SCSI III. Got > to learn that the hard way) No way in hell what I was sold was going to > work. > Reminder 1#: Unless you know actual non-sales people who have a version > of what you are thinking of running, or you have run it in the past, best > to go with the idea NONE of it will work. That way, you don't wear egg on > your face, AND you look good when it does work. Hard to quote jobs with > that attitude, but under promise and over-deliver is always a good MO. Which I do.. Several of.. 1 which I pointed out and people keep glazing over becouse it doesn't help them make their silly power supply point. >> "It works for others." > > Yes...same argument used for the Kingston tower AND the Quantum drives. > Turns out the Quantums were vers 4 of the EEPROM and its broke. I don't want to even touch how silly this is.. > > To REALLY figure out what is going on, you need REAL data. Your employer > won't pay for you to play Qualtiy Control Engineer. That brings me to > reminder #2: Always quote the 'known working solution' IE the high end > solution where it is someone elses problem. That way, if they opt to > choose the lower end solution, you have the out of 'You should have picked > the higher end version if you wanted this to work'. Life is full of > compermises. Welcome to how Sun and IBM walks its way in to most shops and why FreeBSD never gets a chance. I have heard it Sooo many times before. I want someone I can blame and point to. (are you a manager by chance?) If that is how you always operate do you only use FreeBSD when they won't go for your 'known working solution' you can point fingers with? > At this point, without good technical data of what/how the harddrives were > handled, the power supply, the quality of the AC line, etc la, this thread > is generating heat to keep one warm, but not alot of information. For all > any of us know *ONE* gate deep in the 3ware is dead, causing the > problem. (Had a SCO PC involved with a building lighting hit. Any > mulitport serial card at 330 would fail. Move the cards to antoher > machine at 330, it would work. Move the card to 360, and it would start > working. Somewhere, a gate was dead on that machine.....) OR, the hard > drive was abuse by a shipper. OR...... Yes however I will bet even money that if I put a seperate power supply on every friggen drive and still have the same problem someones gonna say.. I bet one of Those supplys was bad.. Can folks try, just try to imagine that they "could" be wrong and come up with some other reason? Do I honestly have to Prove it wrong in some scientific way before you are willing to imagine some other possibility? Jeeze. Some time I or someone else will have a chance to test the theory, but for now that is all it is. One thoery. Did you read, really read, my last two posts on this? Nicole Ok Now I am getting a little snide. It just feels like what galileo went through. He was almost killed for beliving that the earth revolved around the sun in contrary with current belifes. ******* |\ __ /| (`\ ******* * * | o_o |__ ) ) * * * * // \\ * * * Nicole Harrington | AKA Hodge Podge * ----------------------(((---(((-------------------------------- nicole@unixgirl.com http://www.unixgirl.com/ webmistress@dangermouse.org http://www.dangermouse.org/ nicole@deviantimages.com http://www.deviantimages.com/ -- Powered By Coca-Cola and FreeBSD -- "The world is run by those who show up" -- The Best Place for Your Web Site - www.WebWeaver.net -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message